Will you be introducing Evelynn in 5.3?

Tentacle Love··28 votes·1,709 views

She certainly sounds like a cool champion in theory, but the beta quality champion in the champ list surely isn't the intended final product.

Her splash art is quite old, her model could use an update, she has no real theme, just a mishmash of odd stuff, her q is seriously watered down compared to everyone else's abilities, her w turns off her passive and just makes her even more easy to kill, her e looks like something borrowed from another champ from a different lane and role, and her ultimate doesn't make any sense at all. If she's an assassin, why is she expected to reveal herself before opening up on enemy targets with an ability that literally cannot kill anything?

She has no ability to initiate without removing her stealth, she is a melee range mage, she's dressed like a bdsm devotee, but clearly isn't into consent (unless you count the fact that she can't gank unless the opponent lets her), she is only hidden when you close your eyes, and you can easily completely negate your own "blind spot" by clicking furiously and moving your champion around a lot like OH MY GOSH EVERYONE ALREADY DOES THIS!

But wait, there's MORE!

She just recently got nerfed in the mana regen passive, because you only regenerate mana faster (post-nerf) when you're out of mana and can't. play. the. game.

She was starting to improve in the Jungle (yeah, ignoring all that stuff above, sheesh), and then she got hit with the nerf nuke from orbit when you up and decided that champions that are forced to build tanky in the jungle just don't get to jungle anymore with that 100g price increase.

Seeing Evelynn appear in the spectator games on the launcher is beginning to feel like spotting Bigfoot. You get all excited at seeing a new face, until you go and realize it's a troll.

Don't get me wrong, I have a huge roster of characters I can play but Eve is this champ that I liked ever since I first started playing. I have a fond memory of winning my first real pvp game back in YE OLDENE DAYSE when I failed to gank 3 times as Eve, but then got a few lucky kills and turned around a losing game by starting to steamroll. This was before I knew that you could grab smite and use it in the jungle at the start of the game. I was ganking at level 1. Yes, it was dumb. But this was before I had even heard of a meta. I was like summoner level 2. There were no bots. Eve stunned people when she opened with a basic attack.

Even I know that her old version was unsustainable. But the idea of a champion that could initiate ganks at level 1 is not unreasonable. What does everyone do at the start of the game now?! They all head to the river and see if they can get first blood. What does Eve do? (aside from watching from the sidelines)

But let's look at the role of the assassin. (Eve is, supposedly, according to Riot, an assassin) Assassins are supposed to be able to target and eliminate the enemy ad carry or mage. There is not a single piece of Evelynn's kit that lets her do this. not her passive, not her ultimate, not her w. her q and e don't have the damage to do anything other than secure kills for teammates. (that's kill stealing for us noobs) She doesn't even have the ability to contribute something to a team to let them 4v5 so that she can sneak up on the carries. If Evelynn is an assassin then every. champion. in. the. game. is. an. assassin.

Let's go ahead and compare her to a "healthy assassin."

Her q is actually not that different from zed's. a straight line of damage. Zed gets two or three of them, doesn't have to worry about mana, can shoot them at enemies from different directions at the same time, can hit multiple targets that aren't lined up, hits targets farther away, and deals his damage faster. But Evelynn's q auto-targets the nearest enemy and hits it even if that means missing the lowest hp target that you were aiming at. Unless they run out of range, for some reason, but whatever. kinda nice not having(being able to) aim. So let's go ahead and call this even. (/SARCASM)

Zed's w allows him to create a shadow to enable teleporting instantly, appearing in the exact spot he desires to begin his rotation, and effectively increases the damage of his q and adds a slow when used appropriately. kinda hard to do properly, it does take a little skill. Evelynn moves slightly faster at the cost of turning off her stealth completely, eliminating any possibility of reaching her target before it runs away. It does not increase her damage in any way and is far more likely to decrease her overall dps. Zed effectively gets to move faster than light speed, Evelynn moves at the speed of a scared crab. We'll call this "slightly in favor of zed" (/FACETIOUS)

Now let's compare E. Zed's gives him a wide area aoe at more than one target, a slow, and yet another high-skill ability to help close the gap. I mean how cool is it when you slow someone and then teleport to them to end them as they can't run away. Ah, it's awesome. Evelynn gets to apply on hit effects as she girly slaps someone in the face. It's just a shame that there aren't any of those in any of her item builds. Man it would be cool to actually use on hit effects. I wonder what they do. Does anyone know? We could probably ask Zed. Zed probably knows.

Hey Zed, why are you so balanced and Evelynn isn't?

Zed : "Balance is a lie."

So, uhh... what's an on hit item effect?

Zed : "As if you're ever going to use Tiamat. Get out of my shadow."

Ok. that wasn't very helpful.

So now let's compare ultimates.

Evelynn's ultimate is the only assassin ultimate that literally can never actually kill anything,(unless it rounds up, in which case you could do the impossible last hit point of damage!) and it gives her a damage shield. Umm... ok, that's a bit odd.

Hey Zed, do you have any damage shields?

Zed : "HAHAHA. No, I kill things."

Huh.

So when we look at Zed's ult, we see an ult that gives temporary invincibility, another teleport, another shadow to increase dps, an escape route, and I guess I should stop there.

Seriously this is like comparing the Captain America of the unspeakable 80's movie with the Captain America of the Ultimates who is president of the United States. (/Hyperbole? maybe?)

Zed : "HAHAHA."

You know what, Zed, you're a dick.

Zed : "HAHAHA."

21 Comments

AngelSpite9 votes

They have completely mishandled the situation with this champion.

Bears Dont Care7 votes

Better nerf evelynn again, someone noticed she is on the champion select screen.

WhereTheNamesAt3 votes

Shut the fuck up about Eve already. Just play her AD and I swear to god she'll feel strong again. You can't expect Riot to buff her since what happened before is that GD bitches complain about her perma-stealth passive and it being bullshit. The only thing they could possibly do to help her is give her a rework and that would mean the end of her stealth passive more then likely (which I like where she is right now). If you really love Eve that much than you would find a different way to play her.

I still remember when I started falling in love with her again. I was duoing with a friend when he locks in Eve. My first reaction was "Dude, pls don't pick Eve. She is shit right now." He then proceeds to get 19+ kills and carries the hell out of the game going AD-Bruiser Eve.

I've had many people tell me Eve was shit when I pick her in ranked and then I usually end up proving them wrong and can snowball the game really well.

Tentacle Love7 votes

The number of people that complained about Eve is pretty comparable to the number of people that complain about Lee Sin.

If it were about complaints, then that would have gotten Lee Sin nerfed to hell and back already.

They knew that she wasn't working, and rather than fix her, they nerfed her to hell and forgot her. It's this most recent Jungle nerf that irks me. It's just lame that Riot doesn't care to fix her. It's been YEARS since they said her ult was dumb and that it would be a short term solution until she got a rework.

Fear Popo2 votes

A champ doing well in Silver 5 is not the same as a champ being good.

WhereTheNamesAt1 votes

Woah! good job at looking at my ranking (from going 4-6 in placements) and calling me out on it. I bet you feel real special don't you

Fear Popo1 votes

I'm sorry you feel like I called you out, but anecdotal evidence from low tier games does not make a champion good. If you feel like my response to you was rude, maybe think before starting your response with "shut the fuck up", and then launching into anecdotal stories about how amazing your build is.

On a side note (only because you brought it up), you aren't just in S5 because you went 4-6 in placements. I'd hazard a guess and say if you went 10-0, you'd be in S2-S1 tops, which isn't that huge a difference.

WhereTheNamesAt1 votes

It really is because I finished s2 last season and winning all 10 would probably of placed me around gold 3. Since the fact I had a gold 4 friend win all his placements and finished plat 5.

I showed my build because believe it or not people still build her AP and then they wonder why they don't do damage. Her abilities have practically the same ap and ad scalings (besides her ult), the only difference is that with ad her auto attacks hurt more.

And don't look down on me like you are some sort of elo god. Also take into fact that over 90% of the LoL playerbase is less than Plat and therefore makes everything I say completely viable. Stop being a nub and calling people out on rank it isn't cool.

Fear Popo1 votes

Again, I don't feel like I've been acting like an "elo god". I wish you luck on getting to Gold 3. You have been consistently hostile since your first post, and maybe that has had an impact on how I addressed you, if so, I apologize.

I never said that AD Evelynn was unviable in 90% of games, in fact I said that many champions can be viable in the not competitive tiers (I'd say short of D3 and up, almost everything is fair game, and I would only say I am a low diamond- high plat player). However, this thread (as far as I was able to determine from the OP) is about how the nerfs to evelynn have changed her as a character to the point where she has gone from being a hybrid assassin (god bless the revive smite jungle eve days), to an ap nuker, to eventually a bruiser, which is not the assassin fantasy her character was originally trying to convey.

So in a thread about how the identity of the character has dramatically shifted, and how she no longer really fits the description of assassin, you came in talking about how good AD bruiser Eve is. In a thread that didn't really have much to do with the balance of Eve as a bruiser. :/ I don't see how that was productive.

Once again, I am sorry that you feel I have been "mean" or "snobby" or what have you to you, that was not my intent. If you'd like to talk about Eve's identity, I'd love to talk, I've loved her character for almost 4 years now, since I first started playing. :) What makes you think that the bruiser/initiator play style she is normally played with now fits her character and identity? What are your favorite parts about her?

WhereTheNamesAt1 votes

bursting champs out of stealth, best thing about her. period.

Sirsir1 votes

Eve isn't really an assassin, and hasn't been for awhile. She is more of a bruiser. She just doesn't have the burst potential for it.

And the mroe the game changes the more dominant Zed gets. All the assassins are becoming bruisers (looking at Rengar, Khazix, possibly Fizz). All the guys that can just hop in and delete an ADC are getting reworked and/or nerfed into bruisers. Soon Zed might be next...

1st HanarSpectre2 votes

{quoted}

Eve isn't really an assassin, and hasn't been for awhile. She is more of a bruiser. She just doesn't have the burst potential for it.

And the mroe the game changes the more dominant Zed gets. All the assassins are becoming bruisers (looking at Rengar, Khazix, possibly Fizz). All the guys that can just hop in and delete an ADC are getting reworked and/or nerfed into bruisers. Soon Zed might be next...

If you think Rengar, Kha'zix and even new Fizz can't assassinate the shit out of you, then you are beyond help.

master of powers1 votes

Fizz buff please

Luna Loves Lulu1 votes

Cooldown, Mask+Book+Hat+Rod+drainbook+GA Q spam Eve is the only viable Eve.

All they really need to do is

  1. Make her passive work like MFs - she has to get hit before it pops.
  2. Make her ultimate work off max HP and not current HP. Why the the blue flying Craig is it "current HP" on a champ who's soul purpose is to fight you when you have almost none left???
Kaipop1 votes

I've actually had some good games with eve my build being mobis,stalkers blade ap ench, lich bane, and from then on situational ap items. She's able to instaburst squishes very fast this way.

However I do think she needs a rework. The main thing I want is a better q and a more impactful ult (hope it keeps some sort of shield though). I really like the movement speed resets, but maybe it should have a passive effect on it or interact with her invisibility better. I also hope they don't change her e too much, as it is what lets her assassinate, but if is changed thematically or to fit better with the rest of her kit I understand.

Good post though OP I enjoyed it. Justice for evelynn.

aaronconlin1 votes

I recently played against an Evelynn and she did very well. Her build was: item 3047 item 3153 item 3146 item 3025 item 3708 I'm guessing item 3025 could be swapped for item 3100 or item 3078 Maybe building Evenlynn as a hybrid bruiser/assassin is the way to go

Oleandervine1 votes

When I started playing last year, I picked up Eve because I liked her and she was actually pretty fun. About the time I could actually get into using her well, she got slammed by nerf after nerf, and now I find that I have to agree with the OP. She's weak, and in the same vein of the slap-on-the-wrist "nerf" that Zed got, she only got a "buff" that didn't amount to much help to her overall burst.

kitcat3001 votes

Many argue that she needs a stealth that isn't toxic, but what kind of stealth would she get that hasn't been done already? I personally would like to see something new on her, but only four types seem to work for this game.

Localized: Akali

Clone/Decoy: MonkeyKing Shaco Leblanc

Short in-and-out: Vayne Khazix Shaco Talon

Extended: Rengar Twitch (Old Evelynn)

Tentacle Love1 votes

{quoted}

Many argue that she needs a stealth that isn't toxic, but what kind of stealth would she get that hasn't been done already? I personally would like to see something new on her, but only four types seem to work for this game...

It would definitely be hard to come up with a new version of stealth.

Honestly I think that her w shouldn't remove her stealth flat out, but rather create situations where she can be detected easier. then you could tweak the passive and that, so that there's actual counterplay present in her stealth kit. That would probably be the best thing to do to her first. Once you create actual gameplay in her stealth, you can make interactions between her and others work very well.

Alternatively, you could make her stealthed all the time except when attacking (and shortly thereafter) but give her an occasional rek'sai circle under her feet if she stays in visual detection ranger longer than .5 seconds. then people could detect her, but only if they aren't spinning like wheels like everyone just does out of habit to artificially inflate their cpm.

Jofeyy3 votes

Satanic: Teemo

Fear Popo1 votes

They have been screwing Evelynn over for years now. :/ They nerfed her so hard because of DFG a year or two ago, when she was good mid. I'd like to think they may compensate her for its removal, but after watching them not give a shit about her for so long, its doubtful.

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