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Cmon Riot, are you EVER going to buff Gangplank?

Dark Echoes··2 votes·1,414 views

So I love Gangplank, just saying that now to get rid of any suspicion of biased. I am incredibly biased towards GP because of how anti meta he was upon his rework; he was anti siege, he was all about wave clear and tactical planning. Now we're on the verge of the SEVENTH Gangplank nerf in a row. I understand he was OP on release, but now hes either balanced or waaaaaaaaaaaaay too weak ...... Again.....

I feel like Riot wants new GP to be as weak and pointless as old GP, but with none of the fun or humor. I loved old GP because he was FUUUUUUUUN, have we forgotten what that word means Riot? FUUUUUUN! After the rework, I was mad, GP lost all his humor and had a clunky mechanic in it's place. Then I learned how to play him efficiently and started doing very well for myself. Then he was nerfed, but I still did good, then he was nerfed again and I couldn't fight ANYONE in the early game. Then he was nerfed again and I could barely scale into late game, then he was nerfed again and now I'm dying to a level 2 nasus because I had the balls to think I could actually fight someone. Then GP was nerfed again and my ult isn't even up enough to be consistently useful, and finally we get to the latest GP nerf. It goes something like this.

[Silver Serpent generation on Twisted Treeline, Dominion, and ARAM reduced to 1 every 2 seconds from 1 per second.]
Parrrley (Q) gold and silver serpents plundered now 4 at all ranks from 4/5/6/7/8 

Powder Keg (E) Now Stores 3 barrels max (up from 2 & 3/4/5 based on R rank) Recharge cooldown changed to 20/18/16/14/12 from 18/17/16/15/14

Cannon Barrage (R) :
    Upgrades now cost 250 silver serpents down from 500.
    No longer increases number of Powder Keg stored  

This is a nerf in EVERY way possible. The change to Parley (I refuse to indulge the joke that I used to enjoy) is ABSOLUTELY POINTLESS! You go from getting 8 Serpents to getting 4, a 50% reduction. Then your upgrade prices are getting chopped in half, so what's the point? So gp cant get more gold from Q and can't scale into the ONLY part of the game he has any effect in. Other than that this is just Riot basically rejecting the notion that a champ go against the brainless push and siege meta. Look, I know riot won't respond to this, or ever see it because i'm not a famous streamer, I'm not LCS, and I'm not master/challenger, but someone needs to tell Riot that this is ridiculous, this is stupid, this is TOTALLY UNNECESSARY. I understand his win rate is still high, but it's going to drop, GUARANTEED. Punching his mid game in the gut is going to make him near unplayable, kinda like old GP isn't it. Not everyone is a pro or a diamond, so how about making him somewhat playable for people around the ELO where all we see is Darius and Riven, OOOOOR flavor of the month, the latest op (Mundo and Fiora). So if any rioters DO find this (and I highly doubt they will or reply if they do) just tell me, are you EVER going to give GP some compensation? I want GP to be good, I want him to be successful, but I don't want to see him OP, because we had that on release and it was nightmarish. I know i'm going to get ripped apart by Riot supporters and higher level players that say, "Oh you just suck with him if you can't go 37/3 every game and win against Riven and Darius", but I know GP can be balanced without gutting him like a fish.

Sincerely yours, A concerned top-laner

EDIT: Riot has changed the nerfs to change the gold income from Parley, which makes MUCH more sense. The gold was a bit much for his ability to clear waves. I still don't know about the barrel changes, I'll have to get on the PBE and test that myself, but these latest changes make SOOOO much more sense. Alot of my concerns are still there, but it's reassuring to see that someone in Riot is noticing the lack of compensation and is making him not OP, not weak, but nicely balanced.

8 Comments

Nahui1 votes

They're shifting his power elsewhere in his kit. They are taking power from his barrels and putting it elsewhere. They're trying to make GP actually interact with his lane instead of having him power farm gold with his Q and simply barreling, ultimate, eating oranges whenever ANY aggression is shown.

Dark Echoes1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Captain Rand0,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mpgOj59c,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-02-12T01:19:24.357+0000)

They're shifting his power elsewhere in his kit. They are taking power from his barrels and putting it elsewhere. They're trying to make GP actually interact with his lane instead of having him power farm gold with his Q and simply barreling, ultimate, eating oranges whenever ANY aggression is shown.

Now that would be a welcome change. His dependnance on landing his E was limiting, but how are they diverting that power? They've nerfed his ult, nerfed his Q, the only thing they haven't nerfed is his W. If i've missed something then by all means I'm open to being proved wrong. Hell, I would love to be wrong in this case.

Nahui1 votes

I mean I'd imagine it's to balance him. He was completely pick ban at Worlds, and with increased AD itemization, it's only benefited him. They're just balancing him out. If it takes a bunch of nerfs, then so be it but as long as he can quick cast 3 barrels and delete 3/5 of the whole enemy team's health bar in about a second, he'll be an issue. His rework was a MASSIVE buff and now they're bringing him to part one nerf at a time until he is left balance. A bunch of nerfs doesn't mean he's bad, it just means he isn't as broken as he was. He's got the best overall performance top lane according to champion.gg, which doesn't mean everything, but it certainly describes his power fairly.

Dark Echoes2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Captain Rand0,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mpgOj59c,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-12T01:54:45.417+0000)

I mean I'd imagine it's to balance him. He was completely pick ban at Worlds, and with increased AD itemization, it's only benefited him. They're just balancing him out. If it takes a bunch of nerfs, then so be it but as long as he can quick cast 3 barrels and delete 3/5 of the whole enemy team's health bar in about a second, he'll be an issue. His rework was a MASSIVE buff and now they're bringing him to part one nerf at a time until he is left balance. A bunch of nerfs doesn't mean he's bad, it just means he isn't as broken as he was. He's got the best overall performance top lane according to champion.gg, which doesn't mean everything, but it certainly describes his power fairly.

You make a good argument, I just feel like they're attacking his late game and his early game and his clearing power, but you are absolutely right, he's not weak..... yet.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

After his last nerfs on his passive, he went down in ban rate, and wasn't much of a problem anymore. It doesn't make much sense when they are hitting 3 different things in his kit all at the same time after he was in a good spot

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

They all but admitted in their "design goals" that they now understand the bad points of silly minigames like the barrels. I think it was a poor choice, and I honestly hope it gets reworked again... those barrels are going to be impossible to balance and stay fun. Impossible.

Story For Glory1 votes

Problem is that when Riot first thinks a guy is a bit OP they strike the person with everything they got. For like 3 or 4 patches in a row they found a new reason to nerf gangplank until he reached this stage where he has nothing to show for.

Olaf can heal as much as Darius reworked Q did upon release with 1 hit on minions lategame, Kindred shreds everything and can jump every 2 seconds or less, Yasuo is yasuo, Bard can oneshot with meeps due to the AP scaling and Tahm Kench is allways fed. (ba-dum-tsh)

And with this coming mage change with every AP item giving cooldowns? Gangplank needs a buff so he can do something again. Because the way he is now it's just ridicules. They might aswell remove him from the game because he is as useless as kassadin was when they nerfed his ult before his visual rework where he couldn't rift through most walls in summoners rift.

If he is not gonna deal damage then they sure as hell can make him tanky or something.

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