At what point will Riot admit that the Nid rework failed?

Report Team GG·Feb 16, 2015·5 votes·869 views

I don't care about balance. That's a non-issue since balance is numbers and concepts are what matter.

Nid still retains ZERO interaction.

What did you do before Nids rework? Dodge spears while she tossed them at you at 1500 range. Then proceed to run away while she tried to finish you off with cougar.

What do you do after Nids rework? Dodge spears while she tosses them at you at 1500 range. Then proceed to run away while she tries to execute you with cougar.

What's changed? The numbers...

Old nid-> 80% of your HP with a spear, 20% of your hp with execute New nid->60% of your HP with a spear, 50% of your hp with an execute

Is it better? No... And i'll tell you why not...

Because when Nid jumps on you, during that brief 0.5 seconds of actual exposure, Nid is busy bursting you down. That's a ridiculously small window for you to react, and it's only open when you're vulnerable to being bursted.... Meaning Nid has to make a gross misjudgment for you to get a reasonable kill opportunity.

That or you try to catch Nid which is about as fruitful as being gay in Saudi Arabia or being a well-endowed champion before an IronSemite rework

10 Comments

Sailor MintFeb 16, 20155 votes

Old Nid never used Cougar form for anything but free farming and running away. The issue was that a single spear could force you to give up a turret.

Right now, dodge spears and/or have CC ready to intercept her when she pounces.

Report Team GGFeb 16, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Devi Freak Mint,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mnigvUBK,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-02-16T00:50:52.241+0000)

Old Nid never used Cougar form for anything but free farming and running away. The issue was that a single spear could force you to give up a turret.

Right now, dodge spears and/or have CC ready to intercept her when she pounces.

"Dodge spears" "Just CC her"

Excellent generic advice dude.

Sailor MintFeb 16, 20152 votes

It's generic advice because it works on pretty much everything.

Olaf and Karthus being the few exceptions.

Lord DusteonFeb 16, 20154 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gay Black Jew,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mnigvUBK,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-02-16T00:56:06.872+0000)

"Dodge spears" "Just CC her"

Excellent generic advice dude.

It's not like her spears have an incredibly small hitbox and only medium projectile speed then, right? Plus, if she lands a max range spear SHE ISN'T IN A POSITION TO CAPITALIZE ON IT. She has to be in cougar jump range to even try and kill you now, and if she does not use her cougar form she isn't going to have any pressure on you (you do know how to walk right/left less than 30 space, right? Because if you don't then the problem isn't Nidalee, it's you).

Report Team GGFeb 16, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mnigvUBK,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2015-02-16T01:00:03.419+0000)

It's not like her spears have an incredibly small hitbox and only medium projectile speed then, right? Plus, if she lands a max range spear SHE ISN'T IN A POSITION TO CAPITALIZE ON IT. She has to be in cougar jump range to even try and kill you now, and if she does not use her cougar form she isn't going to have any pressure on you (you do know how to walk right/left less than 30 space, right? Because if you don't then the problem isn't Nidalee, it's you).

Sigh another idiot with little grasp of logic.

Before it was "Stand behind minions" or "spears are slow as hell" or "just ward the bushes"

The issue is that spammed ad infinitum some are bound to hit. The issue is that nidalee still retains a playstyle that is extremely unfun to play against. The issue is that nid takes close to zero risks.

Iabsolutely destroyed an idiot like you the other day who tried to claim ahri was fine as far as risk/reward goes. Once the patch notes hit, he didnt even have enough face to respond because Riots description of the ahri nerfs just destroyed him.

It's a shame that people on GD can't even grasp the concept of interactivity as far as design goes.

LigerzzFeb 16, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gay Black Jew,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mnigvUBK,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2015-02-16T02:53:26.965+0000)

The issue is that nid takes close to zero risks.

Zero risks? She literally puts herself in danger if she decides to assassinate a target afflicted with her passive. She HAS to stay back and poke when the team is there or she will get blown up. Her patterns are predictable, and she is extremely squishy. Her rework was not a failure. Riot nerfed her spears because they literally deleted at max range. She now has the choice to actively use her cougar form, as before it wasn't used to kill, but to only get to lane/get tear stacks.

Lord DusteonFeb 16, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Gay Black Jew,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mnigvUBK,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2015-02-16T02:53:26.965+0000)

Sigh another idiot with little grasp of logic.

Before it was "Stand behind minions" or "spears are slow as hell" or "just ward the bushes"

The issue is that spammed ad infinitum some are bound to hit. The issue is that nidalee still retains a playstyle that is extremely unfun to play against. The issue is that nid takes close to zero risks.

Iabsolutely destroyed an idiot like you the other day who tried to claim ahri was fine as far as risk/reward goes. Once the patch notes hit, he didnt even have enough face to respond because Riots description of the ahri nerfs just destroyed him.

It's a shame that people on GD can't even grasp the concept of interactivity as far as design goes.

So the problem is that the squishy assassin who had most of her damage shifted INTO A MELEE FORM retains no risks? The problem is that walking right or left a tiny bit LITERALLY makes Nidalee nonexistant? The problem is that if you send ten thousand skillshots some will hit?

Look, if you fire 10000 skillshots some will probably hit. Most champion who have their ENTIRE combo put in one skillshot don't have anywhere near as dodgeable one (Diana can't get a 2nd R if she doesn't land Q first as an example); using the "if you fire an infinite amount some will hit" argument doesn't help when Nidalee is going to land 500 of those 10000, not 1000 or 2000 like most other assassins.

So you automatically assume anyone who doesn't go "THIS CHAMPION THIS ONE DUDE SAID WAS BROKEN" is an idiot? You must do great in life. (as a sidenote, this is gameplay and balance. If you can't even notice what board you are posting in...)

Wînter FoxFeb 16, 20153 votes

LOL

Old Nid was just about spears and heals. That's all. Cougar form only existed to run into lane. Now she has a predictable pattern: she has to hit you with spear, get in W range, then leap into melee range as a squishy AP Assassin.