When will Riot admit that Nidalee will always be a blight upon the game?

Report Team GG·Jan 18, 2015·9 votes·1,297 views

Her playstyle still remains the same...

Chuck spears indefinitely, then cougar in to execute.... Playing at 0 risk to herself as always. The only difference now is Nids execution threshold is 50% and her spears hit the other 50% of your HP compared 25/75 before.

She still is damn near uncatchable/unkillable unless you're playing someone with serious catch potential.

She still retains that frustrating ruin the game for 9 other player playstyle.

She's selfish. She's noninteractive. And she pisses everyone off.

You still didn't fix her spear spam. You still didn't fix her heal. You sort of fixed her pounce. But you didn't fix her cougar form.

Riot originally you wanted to make Nid more interactive so that people can play against her.... Well you failed. Cougar forms full of burst damage and your ability to react to it is about 0.1 seconds. So you weaken her unable-to-touch-her poke and give her unable-to-react to burst damage execution.

Nid doesn't need to be a burst-execute-uncatchable-heal champion. Make pounce a pure gap closer and nothing else.

There's no counterplay to her spears still There's no counterplay to her heal still There's no counterplay to her traps still (along with being hard to see visually) There's no counterplay to her cougar form burst damage still

She needs some of the following -Shield in lieu of heal -Pounce only useable as gap closer -Spear range lowered

12 Comments

DirewolfiezJan 18, 20155 votes

To be fair, at least she actually has to dive people to kill them now. Not claiming that she's not still horrible to play against, but before she'd 2-hit you with Qs and boom, dead, with not possible chance to meaningfully play against her aside from dodging her spammable Q.

Cale017Jan 18, 20153 votes

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To be fair, at least she actually has to dive people to kill them now. Not claiming that she's not still horrible to play against, but before she'd 2-hit you with Qs and boom, dead, with not possible chance to meaningfully play against her aside from dodging her spammable Q.

Her dives are way too strong, though. Riot succeeded in making her cougar form interact better with her human form, but right now she's just got too much power in her kit. When people can play her as an AD bruiser with roughly the same success as an AP build, meaning that she's running essentially off of base damages, that should be a sign that her kit is a little too heavy handed as it is.

AbyssphereJan 18, 20154 votes

If her dives were way too strong then she'd probably actually be doing well right now, but her win rate is very poor. I won't disagree that she's hard to play against but her strength isn't a problem at all. Cougar form Nidalee is the most conditional assassin in the game.

PrinceOfStormsJan 18, 20152 votes

But there is counterplay to her spears.

Dodge them. They only chunk you really hard if it's at max range.

Cale017Jan 18, 20152 votes

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But there is counterplay to her spears.

Dodge them. They only chunk you really hard if it's at max range.

For how far they go and how much damage they deal, they should not be on as low of a cooldown as they are. And disregarding why they're unbalanced in general, it still doesn't change that Riot was trying to pull her away from just being a ballista but failed to do so horrifically. She still spends most of a game chucking spears just like she did before.

Kuroi86Jan 18, 20152 votes

A. They have half the width of before. B. They are slow as molasses. C. They don't deal NEARLY as much damage as they did before.

A fed Nid dropped someone to half health with a long range spear? Be grateful, once upon a time a fed Nid would have one shot you with that spear.

Cale017Jan 18, 20151 votes

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A. They have half the width of before. B. They are slow as molasses. C. They don't deal NEARLY as much damage as they did before.

A fed Nid dropped someone to half health with a long range spear? Be grateful, once upon a time a fed Nid would have one shot you with that spear.

Which still doesn't change that most of her gameplay currently revolves around chunking spears from afar, the same as ever. Riot stated they wanted her to be pulled away from that style of play, but they have failed to do so. All it means is that she has to land another q before she goes all in on you in cougar form, which gives her enough mobility and burst to ensure that you aren't getting away so long as you're marked.

That's not interactivity. That's "are they low enough? cool, cougar form".

Kuroi86Jan 19, 20151 votes

Oh hey, a ranged skill shot can chunk you for damage, that's new. sarcasm

Nidalee is an assassin. Assassins typically play in a very predictable way. Whittle them down from afar, then move into melee range and kill them.

All it means is that she has to land another q before she goes all in on you in cougar form, which gives her enough mobility and burst to ensure that you aren't getting away so long as you're marked.

If Nid lands two max range spears on you, then you are either against a godly Nid or you need to learn to DODGE! Also, if she hits you at max range with her spear, then you need to back away, she has to run up in order to get her range jump on you. Her Javelin has a 1500 range. Her hunted pounce only has 750.

Compared to where Nidalee was, she is in a much healthier spot. People need to learn more about how to take her on and complain less. If Riot sees in the numbers that there is still a problem, they will address it, but coming on here and complaining is pointless. There are so many people that whine and complain about any champ they can't beat that it would be pointless for Riot to EVER take any advice from these threads.

Cale017Jan 19, 20151 votes

You misunderstand. I'm not saying she's overpowered. I'm saying that Riot failed to rework her kit in a manner that removed her from being a walking ballista.

Kuroi86Jan 19, 20151 votes

Truthfully, if she goes full AP with mana and mana/regen to play walking Ballista, you should be going on her hard. Her AP scalings aren't that great anymore. And outside of hitting long range javelins, you're not going to take much damage from them.

This makes her great for sieges, but terrible in team fights. However if she goes AD bruiser, the opposite is in effect. Avoid the Javelin and poke her from behind your minions and her inability to close the gap early on will make it harder for her to have real lane presence.

Riot said they were moving some of her power from her Javelin to her cougar form to diversify her play style some. They didn't say they would remove the use of her Javelin from the game.

Kuroi86Jan 18, 20152 votes

The only difference now is Nids execution threshold is 50% and her spears hit the other 50% of your HP compared 25/75 before.

So tell me, when did you begin to believe that eating full range Nid spears followed by walking into her melee range was a good idea?

Base Magic Damage: 50 / 75 / 100 / 125 / 150 (+40% AP) This is a Nid spear at close range. Base Magic Damage: 4 / 20 / 50 / 90 (+75% AD) (+36% AP) This is Nid takedown damage provided you don't eat spears til you're low health and then get her hunt proc on you.