How is percentage health true damage + full heals a healthy kit?

TheVishual·Jan 1, 2016·9 votes·802 views

Fiora outdamages tanks top lane and also outtanks them... and if you want to try to build tank, guess what PERCENT TRUE DAMAGE LOL

Her ult is a 700 health heal with a 60% ad ratio, she heals more than fucking soraka while doing a metric fuckton of damage.

If she hits you with q one time good luck getting away, she has infinite dashes and a 60% slow. You can't even CC her consistently because she has riposte, and she can build bruiser and still do great damage.

Who thought this was a healthy kit during champ design?

24 Comments

Anu3isIIJan 1, 20162 votes

Who thought old Fiora had a healthy kit? But how is the new one compared to that?

Also, all you mention are her strengths, and favourable match-ups(Fiora vs Tanks). Everyone knows Bruisers work pretty well against her, and the Ranged top laners can destroy her.

And her Bruiser build isn't as great as you say... It takes too much time to make it work, and this game isn't a 1v1 where you can build to counter the only other laner.

Call your jungler to handle her in a 2v1. If he/she can't help you, then just push Fiora into her turret. Her only way of clearing a wave is by buying a Hydra these days (before she could do that only with Tiamat).

TheVishualJan 2, 20161 votes

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Who thought old Fiora had a healthy kit? But how is the new one compared to that?

Also, all you mention are her strengths, and favourable match-ups(Fiora vs Tanks). Everyone knows Bruisers work pretty well against her, and the Ranged top laners can destroy her.

And her Bruiser build isn't as great as you say... It takes too much time to make it work, and this game isn't a 1v1 where you can build to counter the only other laner.

Call your jungler to handle her in a 2v1. If he/she can't help you, then just push Fiora into her turret. Her only way of clearing a wave is by buying a Hydra these days (before she could do that only with Tiamat).

Old fiora was incredibly easy to counter, the most popular item in the game beside IE (zhonya) cancels her ult and puts it on CD. She was just an ult bot prior

Anu3isIIJan 5, 20161 votes

I don't think every top laner could buy Zhonya...

Also , I think you underestimate her early game, her old W had a big AD steroid that made trades against her a bad decision along with the low CD Parry that had a remarkable amount of Magic Damage when used correctly. Then you see her double dash Q and her Speedy E. Sticky Sticky with Mixed Damage.

Her ult may seem the core element of Fiora, but most of the people actually had problems against her because she had clear advantages against them in a duel. Her ult was just amplifying her power.

fééd l0rdJan 1, 20162 votes

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Shrek LuigiJan 2, 20161 votes

There are probably a ton of 'retards' who can play this game better than you can. It's 2016, don't throw that word around.

GigahappytownJan 1, 20162 votes

Its not

ITs a fact fiora rework was one of the worst in the game.

Shrek LuigiJan 2, 20161 votes

Right, because she was in such great state pre-rework? Loool

Spicy RiceJan 2, 20161 votes

Man, i just love the counterplay of using zhonyas on her ult as an ad champ

GigahappytownJan 2, 20161 votes

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Right, because she was in such great state pre-rework? Loool

shes in a even worse state then she was before

more faceroll less counterplay.

NeckereiJan 1, 20161 votes

The idea behind fiora works the same general way as Yasuo. A high risk high reward champion. Example: Yasuo holds some of the highest power in the game but it comes with a huge price. With him being melee and besides a short dash that needs a target to get to you he has no way to get there. That leaves enemies a huge opening to attack him before he gets close enough to dish out his high damage. And with team fights he cant get his tornado up himself without putting up risks to his safety. Fiora is the same way. With no reliable cc and a huge ammount of damage without a direct safe way to get to them it leaves enemies easily able to get her from a range before she gets to them. Plus its more of mobility vs mobility against her. You have to try to out move her when shes going for vitals and she will easily fall.

TheVishualJan 1, 20162 votes

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The idea behind fiora works the same general way as Yasuo. A high risk high reward champion. Example: Yasuo holds some of the highest power in the game but it comes with a huge price. With him being melee and besides a short dash that needs a target to get to you he has no way to get there. That leaves enemies a huge opening to attack him before he gets close enough to dish out his high damage. And with team fights he cant get his tornado up himself without putting up risks to his safety. Fiora is the same way. With no reliable cc and a huge ammount of damage without a direct safe way to get to them it leaves enemies easily able to get her from a range before she gets to them. Plus its more of mobility vs mobility against her. You have to try to out move her when shes going for vitals and she will easily fall.

Fiora is a no risk and high reward champion... even in matchups vs ranged champs she can still dumpster them because her q is a reset-able dash with a mana cost of only 20

Her e slows you down and her ult gives her a 50% MS speed bonus at rank 3, not to mention hitting a vital gives her even more MS. They're incredibly easy to hit and theres little to no counterplay other than just not moving in to CS creeps. You can't just "out move her"

Yasuo is high damage but you can actually counter him by building tank; Fiora hits you for the same amount of damage no matter what your build is, only she outdamages every other toplaner so you can't trade with her like that

The only champ I've had moderate success with vs fiora is tryndamere, but thats only because she can't kill him through his ult and he can build glass cannon (although again, you can actually counter tryn by building tank, with fiora that is not the case). She completely outclasses every beefy top that is supposed to be in top lane because of her broken true damage

Weiner the PoohJan 2, 20162 votes

Tanks against Yasuo? Jeez buddy, his ult gives a ridiculous amount of armor pen. Also actually play Fiora, you'll easily understand she's not as op as you think.

TroiannJan 2, 20161 votes

Old fiora, yes, was high risk. New fiora is not.

GigahappytownJan 2, 20161 votes

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Old fiora, yes, was high risk. New fiora is not.

>high risk >ult made her untargetable

???

TroiannJan 2, 20161 votes

That was her ult.

And it was counteracted by building armor.

GigahappytownJan 2, 20161 votes

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That was her ult.

And it was counteracted by building armor.

Then i gues new fioras ult is balanced cause its a ult xddddd

gues its balanced because you can "counter it" by buying qss A MR ITEM

her w negates EVERYTHING in the game and its a BASIC ability.

FioraWillCarryJan 1, 20161 votes

Fiora is one OP champ no doubt. However, I've had success vs her with Irelia. Mundo might be able to beat her too. Haven't had that match-up yet though. Garen will rape her for sure, and even if he doesn't, he'll still be relevant in the mid to late game because, well, its Garen. Just after her rework she used to drive me crazy but not so much these days though.

FastAsHeckJan 1, 20161 votes

just pick Nasus and watch her cry (just dont use your W on her while she is blocking)

Yeah I agree that she is really annoying to deal with, at least there are a few counters.

Weiner the PoohJan 2, 20161 votes

Maybe she's allowed to out damage tanks because oh I don't know, if you 4-5 ad items you deserves to beat the idiot with 5 defense items and zero offensive ones. Its asinine to think that someone with zero offense should beat a full ad character, especially In a 1v1

TheVishualJan 2, 20161 votes

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Maybe she's allowed to out damage tanks because oh I don't know, if you 4-5 ad items you deserves to beat the idiot with 5 defense items and zero offensive ones. Its asinine to think that someone with zero offense should beat a full ad character, especially In a 1v1

Do you realize how dumb you sound just soley from that statement

Tanks counter damage, in every game, ever. No one said tanks should outdamage, just that building tank vs every other champion in the game works except fiora because she does max health true damage

MohawkBirdJan 2, 20161 votes

You know what lifesteal is? If someone built 5 defensive items there is no way they can 1v1 a Fiora, especially with the lifesteal that she gets. Plus most Fiora's opt for a Spirit Visage, and most tanks deal heavy amounts of magic damage.

Shrek LuigiJan 2, 20162 votes

Tanks counter burst damage. Burst damage counters sustained damage. Sustained damage counters tanks.

Stop crying about Fiora, there are a plethora of champs who are currently a hell of a lot less balanced than her.

AkeneroJan 2, 20161 votes

I recently had a eureka moment, her damage is allowed because its dodgeable. At most, you should only ever lose 2 vitals during her ult, shes strong, but balanced in terms of outplay