This game state was predicted over 5 years ago! And Tencent is destroying league

TheVishual·4/28/2016, 2:01:13 PM·157 votes·12,424 views

Some good reading for your leisure

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1570220&page=1

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/14jlwl/tencent_posts_an_article_on_qqcom_flaming_dota2/

http://www.destructoid.com/we-investigated-riot-games-new-owner-and-its-chinese-social-credit-system-330544.phtml

https://np.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/3x9h03/is_tencent_trying_to_block_valve_out_of_the/

Tencent is an evil company and controlling league (like they do with all their f2p games). They have little care for the playerbase at all and basically just ride their cash cows until they ostracize their playerbase, shut the game down, and move on to the next successful financial venture.

Sound familiar boys?

tl;dr Riot sold out 5 months ago before the game went to total shit and now they basically have no say in what the game is and it's why it's so bad right now

150 Comments

Vistha Kai4/28/2016, 2:43:56 PM59 votes

Ah, good old Tencent.

I remember how I played Crossfire, back when it was just starting. Truth be told, I don't know if it was always owned by Tencent, but the game turned beyond garbage.

When I logged in for the first time most of the content was f2p, quite literally there was only one entirely cosmetic character model you had to pay to get it. The rest was like IP/RP system we have in LoL, with a twist; you can rent a weapon for a day, a week, a month or perm for either in-game currency or $$$. Now, 3 years after I stopped playing and about 5 since I started, 90%+ of the content is Pay 2 Win.

Like, they added a chest system, which you could buy for Crossfire's IP or RP. At first it was 50/50, like 2 f2p chests and 2 premium ones. When I checked it half a year ago the number of $$-exclusive chests is about 5-7 times as high as f2p ones. Same for buyable content.


How does it fare for Riot Games and League?

So far we had skins price adjustment and since then most of newly released once were, in fact, more expensive. Hell, when was the last time a new champion had their launch skin priced at 975 RP? "But muh new spell sounds", said Katey explaining why Fire Diana is 40% more expensive than L.Goddess Diana.

Then we have Hextech System in which it's pretty much impossible to get enough key fragments to open all chests, basically saying, "Go to the shop and spend $$$ to unlock me!".

Of course then there's also Dynamic Queue which caters to casuals and fucks up matchmaking balance by allowing any number of people make premade lobbies and play aganist unorganized parties of any size or solo players.

Not to mention back in the day, when they introduced Ladder Overlay to ranked queue, so people wouldn't feel bad about their rank, or so they'd feel like they're making progress.

Or when they made it impossible to get demoted from Gold for inactivity, so casual players can get all rewards despite not actually playing ranked.

Gnart Even Close4/28/2016, 8:00:50 PM34 votes

While I do believe Tencent is a bad company, I don't believe they have anywhere nearly as much power over Riot Games as many people believe. Rito is still in charge of themselves, but Tencent makes profit off of them and Rito has to make sure the game will work well in China. China isn't the only country that League has to pander to, since there are many restrictions throughout the world on certain things, like drugs/alcohol and blood. China is the reason that Karthus doesn't have a skull face anymore, but it isn't due to Tencent, it's due to not wanting to violate Chinese law. Rito is even replacing Tencent art resources and removing control of the pipeline that Tencent had in China with the global splash art unification project. League is still a great game, and I certainly wouldn't say it's being destroyed. It is in a transitional phase right now, as Rito revamps a lot of the systems in place behind the game, such as the client, the new champ select, dynamic q, global splash art unification, class updates, tons of champion reworks, etc, etc. I honestly think Rito is trying to do too much at a time right now, so a lot of things don't get as much attention as they deserve, but this phase should be over within a year or two, and League will be way better because of it.

tl;dr Tencent is bad, Rito is not. The game is not going to hell, but I sure hope that the people running Tencent are.

Toa of Death4/28/2016, 6:16:05 PM23 votes

Well, that explains why these splash art "updates" are all just the chinese splash art.

Backup4now4/28/2016, 6:28:39 PM20 votes

Just gunna upvote this cuz I wanna see Riot talk about it. Not siding with riot or the anti-riot here, just wanna see a discussion.

billxx4/28/2016, 6:50:06 PM12 votes

Even when we know it's ten cents fault, people still blame riot.

Tufio4/28/2016, 6:03:57 PM11 votes

What they want is to push groups since who play with friends is more likely to $$$ for skin/champs/runes. That's how they want to "maximize the profits" in this game.

Dynamic queue is not a competitive system, is a glorified normal and that can't be fixed. (premades and massive range of mmr make any rating pointless) They know this very well.

macromite4/28/2016, 9:00:10 PM8 votes

wow, it's almost as if tencent is china's ea. oh no.

Dengeden4/29/2016, 5:49:04 AM4 votes

Yes, I clearly recall Riot doing ... nothing differently when they weren't under the heel of the big bad evuuuuul Tenctfdsafdat.

But the signs are showing. Skin sales have-not-changed. (I don't know how we didn't see that.) Hextech chests, I know it's technically free stuff but-but-BUT! you could spend money on it. Back in the day, I could have logged on and played 10 games without paying a dime... these days I still do the same thing. (I'M SO BLIND)

Riot is changing the game according to 2 things: LCS, something is strong or even played, it gets nerfed. Fotm champs (any of them), fotm item builds (FQC, double sightstone).

Aaaaand, you guys. The nerfs/buffs are sometimes indirect but if the complaints persist, they pile em on diligently. Yi and Shyv are only the latest example of this. What? I hear you say. They don't hotfix a champion when I tell them to! No, indeed they do not.

staticX264/28/2016, 8:59:51 PM4 votes
DreMLoK4/28/2016, 9:36:34 PM3 votes

stupid ****ing Chinese overlords, stop breeding

jama6554/28/2016, 9:40:44 PM3 votes

atleast they werent bought by mobade aka DENA co. then league would have already been shut down

jaymc11304/28/2016, 11:17:06 PM3 votes

I'd say "duh" to all this. We all knew where this was heading 6 months ago. None of this is a surprise. We've known about this evil for quite some time. We knew Riot was evil for quite sometime. It's no surprise that an evil entity being absorbed by a larger evil entity created a super evil entity. That's just common sense mate.

CodyBear 4/28/2016, 11:51:50 PM3 votes

What do you expect? It's the Chinese taking everything great and exploiting it until it's worthless.

Grigorian Tutor4/29/2016, 2:01:10 AM3 votes

As someone who has been playing since season one I have literally seen hundreds of Doomsday thread. Every week a new doomsday thread. To replace the previously failed doomsday thread. You may post dozen of old threads that seem to be prophetic truths but the reality there is no real sign of any thing terrible panning out. Sure it seems reasonable to assume the game will at some point fizzle into a obscurity like all games have but when is anybodies guess.

That said I only just now became aware of there take over of Riot games. From my own narrow spheres of observation very bad things tend to happen when freedom in development of community based games is taken from the creators in put into someone else hands. (MTG!) While Im not convinced that Riot has lost creative control over the game play or content creation yet, it is obvious from just a few minutes of research that Tencent is moving the game towards a more Chinese-centric (the One league policy) image and is taking control of the games marketing and player acquisition/retention strategies. What usually follows is a worst case scenario. Giving the extreme animosity that I have for Tencent I cant say I would be sore if this game did crash and burn despite the endless hour of enjoyment Ive gotten from it.

Tencent is a truely evil company that embodies everything a foward thinking gamer or societal minded person should fear and loaf. If you think that is hyperbolic do some research on this company and it's involvement with China's new credit system. The OP's destructiod link is a good start but It really is only the tip of the iceberg. I dont think Ill be playing much league after this eye opener. For me the issue is one of ethics and consumer standards.

srry for any grammar stuff idht to check and had rush my final thoughts

Gregor Gysi4/29/2016, 11:16:07 AM3 votes

Ew. There is one thing I strongly disagree with:

They turn the game into a much more friendly / noob based game.

The champions did not get easier and less demanding to play. Actually, it's quite the opposite. Hence the complaints of the community for Riot to create more "simple" champions. Also, itemization does get more diverse aswell - which used to be a major complain as League itemization used to be way simpler than Dota itemization (granted, it still is, but the difference shrunk).

That being said, Tencent is definetely a dubious company that deserves critique for it's business strategies. But League is probably in the best state it ever was right now (well, the patch before the Juggernaut update was probably slightly better balancewise, but we have more diverse itemization now, especially once 6.9 hits).

PuffySoftBunny4/28/2016, 11:11:38 PM2 votes

Thought I would give my two cents. I have been playing this game since closed beta, however I have been playing it much less since most of my friends play DOTA, and I personally enjoy more aspects of DOTA.

First i will say that your assessment of TenCent being an evil as fuck company is 100% accurate, currently they are gamifiying nationalism in China Ref.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHcTKWiZ8sI. ] TLDR for the ref: Facebook with a gamer-score associated to you as a person and the more you do things that promote and agree with china's agenda the better your score and the more access you have to economic options, mortgage rates, rent, tax deductions ect. (Where it gets fucked up) the score goes down if you do the opposite or if you have friends who do the opposite, not currently giving you anything immediately negative, but of course they wouldn't do that publicly, it will probaly happen on a micro and social level.

I left LOL for 2-3 years back in 2012 because I didn't like their business model and I didn't like the a few of the game mechanics. The reason I state the mechanics is that you are talking about the direction the game is going, and i'm giving my perspective on two different on how to popular games in the same genre handle mechanics and resource management

Major reason: 1: Lol has a very low level pay to win business model: 90% of champions are released stronger than average for two reasons, so that i don't sound like i'm blowing smoke out my ass. The only way riot makes money off players is through the purchase of RP which you can use to buy skins and champions. Release a champion super strong w/ skins and get players to purchase both. 1st which is valid: Releasing a champion broken means more people will play it, giving you plenty of data to balance it. The 2nd reason which I didn't like is that anyone could guarantee themselves a 70% - 80% win ratio for a while until they were balanced, if they are balanced. Examples, Mord, Vlad, LeeSin, Kog, Shaco, Ezragril, Lux, Garen, Udyr, Noct, Jarven, Riven, Irelia, Darius and others.

Minor Reasons: Resource management:

  1. -Defenses (health and resistances) are two plentiful in relation to per gold spent. Thus the Tanky DPS meta.
  2. -Stagnate setup and lane meta. Pretty much only 3 -5 champ jungle rotation viable (pro level specific), not a whole lot of roaming diversity among lanes,
    • no gold loss upon death, a distinct difference between Dota V LOL (not including time not spent in lane from death)

I'm not saying the game is bad, i'm saying its a different game than what I want to play and here are the reasons I was driven away.

Zedex4/29/2016, 2:01:05 PM2 votes

Generally when the popular opinion is that the game is, "going to shit" Riot wasn't speaking up either, and this was before your "sellout" date..So I fail to see how this scenario is any different. You're just using Tencent as ammunition, and I'm quite sure you've no idea how a real business works. It seems to me you're just angry that the game is not in a favorable state for you right now, and you're looking for scapegoats to blame.

Tencent is not to blame. In fact, no one is, "to blame" unless your biased opinion is that the game is shit right now. It seems to be doing quite fine as of late. Balance issues have always cropped up, I don't know what online game doesn't have to deal with them these days, its the way it is. Perfect balance can probably never be achieved, and again, its certainly not Tencents fault for this.

Neversexsit4/29/2016, 3:27:23 AM2 votes

Dynamic que isn't the only thing that is destroying league atm. I understand the concept, but at the same time it messes with my games lol. When the other team is all in a party and you have a team of misfits. XD