Holy sugar-snap peas Riot actually listened to us.

Packun Flower·Dec 3, 2015·44 votes·3,335 views

http://www.newsoflegends.com/index.php/red-posts-0312-update-on-pathingminion-blocking-kateykhaos-on-yorick-skins-meddler-on-direction-of-shens-rework-immobile-mages-illaoi-community-creations-more-52233/

They actually agreed that they new minion block/pathing system is complete and utter garbage and are actually REVERTING it back to the old system.

Is this real life? Is this actually Riot?

35 Comments

Slamurai JackDec 3, 201541 votes

"They're removing minion blocking because it might inhibit Lee Sin's ability to make LC$ big plays."

Now give me upvotes.

J EevoDec 3, 20154 votes

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longnecksamDec 3, 201511 votes

yes sir [slayer-jinx-catface]

Remlap1223Dec 4, 20158 votes

At least you're honest XD.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Slamurai JackDec 4, 20155 votes

I gotta make up for all the downvotes I've been farming the last few weeks as a Yasuo apologist. Balance is important man.

Remlap1223Dec 4, 20152 votes

Zed Balance is a fool's master.

You should know, you main Yasuo.

Ok, had to get that jab out of the way. Godspeed noble Slamurai.

Slamurai JackDec 4, 20151 votes

Ah, but that's what you don't quite understand! I don't play Yasuo for the elo, although that is often a side effect of being really good at him. I play Yasuo so much to draw attention away from my true freelo champion. Velkoz Whenever I absolutely need to win a game or climb quickly, I go right for my freelo squid, not Yasuo. Freelo Squid super OP.

Handin Out NapsDec 4, 20151 votes

We gotta take hits to defend our champs man, I feel u :'(.

SpårrowDec 3, 201521 votes

I don't think I agree with your characterization of the post. Saying it's "complete and utter garbage" is a much more negative evaluation than what the article says. In the article, it reads "[The new system is] a predictable system that isn’t playing nicely with other systems, and when it does work it’s a little more frustrating than we’d like." They're saying that the new system meets their goals of predictability, but has some issues which they will be working on. "we’ll be switching it back to the old behavior in all of its unknowable glory while we work on and dig more into the pathing system."

I don't think they're agreeing that the new system is garbage. I think they're acknowledging the overabundance of issues, and therefore tabling the update until more bugs have been worked out. Ultimately, I believe we will see this new system implemented once the bugs are worked out.

BastionKrossDec 3, 201515 votes

Well of course a fellow Rioter wouldn't just outright call another Rioter's work "complete and utter garbage". That's a good way to get sent to Tryndamere's office.

She's just being very diplomatic about it. "More frustrating than we'd like" "Isn't playing nicely". Those are phrases that mean "Holy crap this thing is causing a lot of problems". Gotta read between the lines here.

And certainly there's going to be a new system eventually. "All it's unknowable glory" seems to imply that the code is difficult to work with and unpredictable when implementing new things. They're looking to make a system of pathing that gives you predictable results when adding things to it, unlike the spaghetti code they have now where new things have an equal chance of working perfectly or summoning an Old One.

Remlap1223Dec 4, 20153 votes

That's a good way to get sent to Tryndamere's office.

I've obviously been in school too long, cuz I instantly thought of Tryndamere giving out detentions.

Academy Tryndamere confirmed.

Meep ManDec 3, 20158 votes

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Only A SoldierDec 3, 20157 votes

Riot listens to people all the time, but so many people think they have an idea of what the "right" way to go about doing things is. So someone is always gonna end up disappointed. It's the vicious cycle of change.

GhastlyGhoulManDec 3, 20156 votes

{quoted}

Is this real life?

Or is this just fantasy?

Vincent LuciusDec 4, 20154 votes

Caught in a landslide.

EcchiOtakuTMDec 4, 20153 votes

No escape from reality.

KinjishiDec 4, 20153 votes

Open your eyes...

Meep ManDec 4, 20152 votes

Look up to the skies and see...

JalkanDec 4, 20153 votes

Ha! As if they would listen to the Gameplay board. No, they collected data from their own game. The problem was so glaringly obvious that Gamplay actually got it right this one time.

Silents429Dec 4, 20153 votes

Okay first of all, they listen a hell of a lot more then you should be giving them credit for, don't dismiss past times they have listened.

Second

They actually agreed that they new minion block/pathing system is complete and utter garbage and are actually REVERTING it back to the old system.

They agreed that the new system was a problem because the predicting pathing system (that they haven't touched) was crap and making your character take a lot of the worst routes. The actual creep block was gone, your character just moved around them because the old system thought it was the most efficient.

AdanYEvaDec 3, 20152 votes

i NEVER had issues with the old system lol

Ariel the CruelDec 3, 20154 votes

I did. Having that 1 castor minion decide to explore tribush just because the god of spaghetti code commanded it was both maddeningly confusing an irritating. Or when all your minions go from attacking your enemy laner to focus-firing 1 minion at a time for no apparent reason.

That said, the old problems popped up somewhere in the vain of.... once a week? Once a month maybe? Where the new system eliminates that problem by creating impassible terrain around anyone within range. Every. Freaking. Game.

The Queen ViperDec 4, 20151 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dYyRZo7AK8

... classic stuff.

Irelia BotDec 3, 20152 votes

I had issues with the old system sometimes but at least I knew what to expect.

Hyrum GraffDec 3, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mm9u6465,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-12-03T08:35:52.703+0000)

I had issues with the old system sometimes but at least I knew what to expect.

idk, I feel like the new system is actually more predictable.

Unfortunately, that's largely because minion block happens whenever you expect it to, which is all the time.

Irelia BotDec 4, 20151 votes

4 years of training myself in how something works without even knowing it was happening is more my issue with the change.

Hyrum GraffDec 4, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mm9u6465,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-12-04T02:51:27.146+0000)

4 years of training myself in how something works without even knowing it was happening is more my issue with the change.

Got'cha.

Yeah, I think if the new system were a genuine improvement, though, you wouldn't have to train yourself to it, it'd just work as you expect. And although you've spent 4 years on the old one, you'd be able to adjust quickly because it "just works."

Irelia BotDec 4, 20152 votes

It works up until you are trying to move and can't.