If you're queueing without a 5-man, you should at least be moderately comfortable in all roles unless you're famous enough to be near guaranteed a role (like Faker or Annie Bot in mid for example) by the random others.
If you're a one-trick, you should be queueing with a 5-man if you're not good enough to be well-known enough to be near-always guaranteed your role by the random others.
But hey, it's obviously all autofill's fault you lost.
SGT Dingle Berry9 votesIn most cases it's not that they can't play X role, it's that they don't want to. The only role that I feel is vastly different than the other 4 is jungle and even then it's not rocket science. What it all really boils down to is nobody wants to support, it's just not satisfying enough for most people. I get that people want to play their intended roles but ultimately it's a team game, there are some MOBAs out there that don't allow you to queue for your intended role and you damn well better know how to play them all.
RookPusher5 votesThe biggest issue is you can be an amazing support and it doesn't matter. So long as the role is dependent on other players, rather than the map, your skill is irrelevant. What kills me about the auto-fill complaints is that a lot of people really should be supporting.
I'm a support main, and I'm pulling miracles to put some shine on the turn ADCs I'm getting. But I'm talking about the inability to read maps, throw wards, and not throw. You guys should be queueing support since the role has less of an impact on the game than other roles.
I'm queueing up as support first, and getting it 99% of the time. That means you asked to be the role you're in you're still clueless. I want to clarify, I don't care if you're bad - just have read a guide and watched a video on the champ you're playing.
Rivuo3 votesThe biggest issue is you can be an amazing support and it doesn't matter. So long as the role is dependent on other players, rather than the map, your skill is irrelevant. What kills me about the auto-fill complaints is that a lot of people really should be supporting.
I'm a support main, and I'm pulling miracles to put some shine on the turn ADCs I'm getting. But I'm talking about the inability to read maps, throw wards, and not throw. You guys should be queueing support since the role has less of an impact on the game than other roles.
I'm queueing up as support first, and getting it 99% of the time. That means you asked to be the role you're in you're still clueless. I want to clarify, I don't care if you're bad - just have read a guide and watched a video on the champ you're playing.
Support has a bigger impact on the game than adcs do currently.
RookPusher2 votesWe don't all play Thresh, Apex.
Rivuo2 votesWe don't all play Thresh, Apex.
All affect the game in huge ways. Of course only good players realize how much a support actually contributes.. Right now supports are stronger than ever and the only thing keeping them down is the 4-5man bot
RookPusher2 votesI'm noticing a trend though. You're listed all mages and Thresh who, and I'm sure I'm the minority here, but I view as a mage since he feels too squishy to truely tank. He's also a utility god.
I'm coming at this from the Naut/Braum/Shen world where we're not getting the bump from the recent surge of Support help.
Rivuo1 votesI'm noticing a trend though. You're listed all mages and Thresh who, and I'm sure I'm the minority here, but I view as a mage since he feels too squishy to truely tank. He's also a utility god.
I'm coming at this from the Naut/Braum/Shen world where we're not getting the bump from the recent surge of Support help.
Well ofc i cant lie to you and say braum/shen/naut is better than a janna because as it is jannas win rate speaks for itself, 54% with a high playrate?
Yeah you're correct though, The mages are way better bot lane imo. Thats not to say braum/naut cant eat bot lane because ive had a supp naut and braum completely carry me through bot lane but i definitly wouldnt play shen supp because shens just ehh in general.
RookPusher1 votesRight, but what I'm saying is even when I'm running the score up as one of those guys, it isn't enough to carry the game. There's a bad translation between killing it bot lane and winning the game imo.
Re: shen. I want to say, his taunt/dash/block all auto attacks is really under appreciated. If they ever go melee or MF support, Shen eats people. He's also pretty good against the hook champs since he can dash away.
Rivuo1 votesRight, but what I'm saying is even when I'm running the score up as one of those guys, it isn't enough to carry the game. There's a bad translation between killing it bot lane and winning the game imo.
Re: shen. I want to say, his taunt/dash/block all auto attacks is really under appreciated. If they ever go melee or MF support, Shen eats people. He's also pretty good against the hook champs since he can dash away.
It's not that Shen is underappreciated it's just that he doesnt pay well for how good you can be with him.
Most of the Shen mains quit when the nerf hit.
RookPusher1 votesBut weren't they all tops?
I don't know, man. He's definitely got some "You need to know how this works" to him, but that ult pays some real bills. Not always in those cross-map saves, but in the "we're all on the same screen and i'm just going to shield you endlessly"
Rivuo1 votesBut weren't they all tops?
I don't know, man. He's definitely got some "You need to know how this works" to him, but that ult pays some real bills. Not always in those cross-map saves, but in the "we're all on the same screen and i'm just going to shield you endlessly"
Oh hell yeah man, Shens ult definitly is amazing and has a huge impact.
But as someone with like 200k on Reworked Shen,
I can safely say that nerf hit him way too hard. His kit besides his ult is just mediocre. His E and W are both 18 second cooldowns and the CD barely gets affected since you max Q first
Let alone his Q damage when hit with spirit blade is now what it was when champs didnt get hit by it..
Any form of MR you can completely facetank Shens Q damage, His taunt is his gap-closer yet you need to flash to land it on a valuable target and his W is good but the CD is kinda insane considering you only get like 10% cdr on shen.
My point is ive been begging for Riot to buff Shen because he needs it. Hes a ''okay'' pick at best to me.
Supreme Senpai691 votesLet me just tell you that Soraka and Janna are entirely at the mercy of their ADC and don't affect the game in the way that RookPusher is talking about; as in, they don't directly affect the game themselves. They affect a player that affects the game. If that player is bad or doesn't want to play ball then you're shit out of luck and might as well be AFK. Tis why I've been going AP mage supports
Rivuo1 votes[{quoted}](name=Revan Senpai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mm0nvi2j,comment-id=000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-01-04T21:36:19.034+0000)
Let me just tell you that Soraka and Janna are entirely at the mercy of their ADC and don't affect the game in the way that RookPusher is talking about; as in, they don't directly affect the game themselves. They affect a player that affects the game. If that player is bad or doesn't want to play ball then you're shit out of luck and might as well be AFK. Tis why I've been going AP mage supports
You dont pick janna for your adc you pick janna for your adc and your team.
Supreme Senpai691 votesWell you do pick Janna for your ADC since half the game is laning phase sadly. And most of the game is decided during laning phase.
Weasel Kensei1 votesI'm a support main, and I'm pulling miracles to put some shine on the turn ADCs I'm getting.
"shine on the turn" da fuq?
Do you mean shine on the turd ADCs?
Penns6 votesWhy learn support when you can just pick Janna and press E tho ######or dodge lul
resumed5 votestheres a very big difference between good jannas and bad jannas
bad jannas will just press e whenever danger happens and heal with ult
good jannas can interrupt dashes with their q and send your divers and initiators right back to their (or her) team with ult
HeroineSam4 votesI do agree it is possible to learn support. buuuut, it is a difficult role (now I know that sounds ironic, but it is true for me). You need to buy items and make a choice between having the ward item, or having the regular item. You need to figure out if you should roam or not roam. You need to figure out if you should get items to help you be more powerful or help your adc out. You need to avoid killing minions (while the adc's there). You need to figure out where it is best to ward based on the situation and which wards/trinkets to use based on the situation.
It is all very complicated for me (a person who doesn't have a particular prodigiousness for gaming). With some practice and some expert help, I can figure it out. But that hasn't happened yet. So, for now, I'll hope that I don't get support (otherwise it'll be me and soraka just giving out heals to people hoping they don't notice how I'm not really sure what I "should" be doing by support standards).
P.S. don't get me started on how to figure out jungling. I just can't.
Weasel Kensei2 votesHey man I gotchu covered.
I made a video guild for supporting basics season 6.
HeroineSam1 votesthank you!
Weasel Kensei2 votesNo problem. I hope it helps someone. It wont have you just crushing matches imidiatly after watching it, but it should save some people from "OMG IM SUP! What do I do now?"
One of these days Im going to make a warding guide to help people maximize their vision, and get the most information out of their wards. Hope you like the vid, and if you have questions there is always a support main willing to help out others; its what we do.
HeroineSam1 votesThanks so much. This is so nice and altruistic of you. I really appreciate it!
Weasel Kensei1 votesI went ahead and made a quick guide for ward coverage too. It has that fresh, hot off the video editor smell too. Its simplistic, but designed to be easy to understand visual indicator of "If your going to ward, here is where the ward helps the most" kinda video.
HeroineSam1 votesCoolio, thank you!
Glory ln Death3 votesIf you're a one trick, you should be good enough to play your champion in any position.
TyrekGoldenspear1 votesFull AD Sion ADC FTW!
Glory ln Death1 votesThose 1000+ damage Q's!!! So delicious!
it be lìke that3 voteshttp://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=nep2une
you went 0-2 in a bot game.
Astôlfo1 votesYou mean the bot game where I was testing how many waves I could do nothing but proxy without recalling as Proxy Singed?
it be lìke that3 votesyou finished last season with a sub 30% winrate in bronze v.
i mean pick which statement shows you should shh the most.
Astôlfo2 votesThe statement that shows you have a hard time reading apparently.
it be lìke that3 votesthats right down vote me, you filthy bronze v.
Astôlfo2 votesPffft. It still thinks it can talk down to others.
it be lìke that3 votesbronze. not 1. not 2. not 3. not 4. but le 5.
drakuIa4211 votesall you have to do is build sightstone + locket + redemption and you're good, no skill required.
Legacy Hydralpha2 votesBuilding isn't that hard, playing the support can be the hard part.
Colton1471 votesIf people want to start learning support, I do recommend going with the simple support champions first, such as...
If you want a support that is simple, but requires some thinking...
chipndip11 votesNami's one of the harder supports in the game...
Papa Andrei1 votesLow skill floor, high skill ceiling
chipndip11 votesQ: Easy to dodge
W: High mana cost
E: Not that big on its own
R: Easy to dodge
I don't understand your reasoning. Not every enchanter is a low skill floor champion. Nami is one of the harder supports to play even on a skill floor level simply because it's easy to miss her biggest spells.
Papa Andrei1 votesIt was easy for me to pick her up and do well with her, It is honestly hardder to play Galio than her for landing q
Worst Kench NA1 votesHow are people bad at supporting? It's literally the easiest role ever.
E GIRL SNIPER1 votesOr I can just keep trolling if no one will dodge every game I get support because its a boring role with boring champs and no matter what people say you rely on your team to carry you because at the end of the day you don't do damage and if your team cant take advantage of your plays there is nothing you can do.
Astôlfo3 votesThen don't complain about your permaban.
Phyuq Yiu1 votesI read this as a support main. I'm sure the above text is directed at other roles but learning adc and jg is some crazy shit. Support is as well. I love being such an amazing support, even in this shit meta. If you get filled into support you have to be extremely patient. Like you may go 10 or 20 minutes just wave clearing and taking it in the butt from 
/anybody. Don't just simply ward unless you know where mid and 
are or you will die. I suggest if your team has damage or if it looks like enemy team has much more damage than yours.
Papa Andrei1 votesScrolled through the comments, all i saw was "BUUUT Nep2une, Support is boring, i am not instantly oneshotting their entire team and i actually have to think and play like a team!! Rito ples remove support I no one trick riven in support!"
Ugh
DemainaNyx1 votesThe biggest problem I see is people don't get the support role. You are the bot lane CARRY for the first 10-20 minutes of the game. Most ADCs don't have the damage to actually kill someone that early into the game, that's why they rely on the support or the jungler to help. Your job as the support is the help them get to that powerspike so that they are ACTUALLY USEFUL.
Vayne has a horrible laning phase. Yeah, only if the support she's with does nothing to help her. Had a game as Lulu with Vayne vs a Ziggs ADC Brand support lane. AOE damage is Vayne's worst nightmare, so this should've been easy for them to win. So, I stood up in lane, away from minions, and tried to be as annoying as possible. They were using everything to try and hit me, which meant they couldn't use it to push the wave. We actually kept the wave in the middle of the lane or pushed to their tower for most of lane phase until their jungler came down. All I had to do was stand up and dodge the skills shots aimed at me while occasionally trying to hit them.
What people need to do, in my opinion, is play a champion they know. Ahri is obviously not a support. But if you are an Ahri main, you already know how to play her, which means less you need to learn. Obviously a tradition support might be better in certain match ups, but if you actually know how to play your champion, you are probably better off. Plus if you are playing something like Riven support, it's not like you getting kills is going to hurt the team.
Walentzack1 votesI queue as main support and I never had to play my secondary role or autofill anything. I always get support and I'm happy with it. Support for life!
