Should flat armour pen and shred be reduced for ranged champions?

kasfas··7 votes·475 views

Now I know that some people are going to get angry for suggesting this, but concidering a LOT of ad carries are buying yomuus and cleaver instead of the crit stats that riot had attempted to make their niche, it may be because the flat pen and shred are too good on them.

What I suggest is, similar to frozen mallet, all flat pen and shred (not last whisper) is reduced by 35-50%. That way there are still some times where getting a black cleaver may be good, like when there is a Malphite and sion on the enemy team stacking armour against your mf, who can ugly them and shred them, but that should not be so effective to the point where other adc's aren't good because they can't use those items( Tristana, pre-buff Jinx).

Maybe also for the juggernaut items, you could just make them never only maybe? That's besides the point anyway.

Since flat pen is intended for meter assassin types, and shred is intended for meter fighter types, they shouldn't be as effective on ranged champions.

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Sightless664 votes

Possibly, but I think a more significant problem is that crit really, really sucks for a large portion of the game, which is a big problem for AD carries that are meant to have a larger presence early on. People are jumping on these new builds because they give much more ability to not suck in the midgame. Trying to force champions back into crit-only is unnecessarily limiting, and should be avoided even if we want to nerf the cleaver penetration builds. The builds themselves aren't a problem. It's only their relation to crit that is causing issues.

I'd argue that VERY slight nerfs to the shred items for ranged champions might be justified, but attempting to make building crit not feel like a complete trap for a large number of champions should be a larger priority. I should have an option for "won't suck in the early game" that isn't building assassin items.

Now I know that some people are going to get angry for suggesting this,

No they won't. You're giving them exactly what they love. The boards will never get angry at you for proposing something that nerfs AD carries. That is not how this place works.

Spoofghoul1 votes

i think black cleaver's shred should be melee only its too easy for ranged to use and stack

Seenan1 votes

If TBC, Steraks was melee only, that'd be great. I only say Steraks cause it effectively makes assassins that have to completely all-in useless.

YumaS2Astral1 votes

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If TBC, Steraks was melee only, that'd be great. I only say Steraks cause it effectively makes assassins that have to completely all-in useless.

There is one problem in making TBC melee only, though: Gnar

Lasslow1 votes

Gnar has a melee form, they could make it similar to how Jayce can buy runaans and cleaver.

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