For something that's so potent, why does it cost no mana? That has to be some kind of mistake; why should he not be punished for over-spamming his Q or other abilities?
You should be able to punish an Ekko who poorly manages his mana. Who else agrees?
HorusEye16 votes
- Damage, Heal, Invulnerability- No Cost
- Damage, Heal, Invulnerability- 175 mana
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SoMNia2 votes saves the ADC and wins the teamfight.
saves his own sorry behind, and becomes a much lesser threat in the process, so he'd better have already done his job. The cost of using his ult is not being able to use his ult, which completely changes his battlefield presence and zoning capability. When he doesn't have it, there is zero reason not to stun him and jump on his face, and then he just dies.
DeusVult8 votesThe cost of using his ult is not being able to use his ult, which completely changes his battlefield presence and zoning capability
Every champion ever...
SoMNia1 votesNo, not really. Most champions' ults are powerful, but not having them doesn't scream "Please kill me now! I literally can't stop you at all!" for most. Some HAVE no ult, and several have extremely short cooldowns and/or conditional resets that allow them to be available quite frequently.
Ekko is very, very vulnerable without his ult, because his kit is otherwise set up to create small windows of opportunity for moderate burst damage and then slow you just long enough to get away IF he pulls it off. And if he is stunned at any time during this, he's basically toast, because his best escape (his passive) is on a timer and he needs to get that third hit in. Otherwise, he spends all his time running from/around you, throwing Q to try to hold you off, and maybe occasionally going in for that third hit if you get too close, because he needs the speed boost to keep running. If he lands the stun without his ult, his best bet is still probably to run, unless you're already low. Why does he need to keep running? Cooldowns. He has no sustained damage, and he's really squishy. He can't handle a prolonged fight, and without his ult, he can't punish you for forcing one.
Seriously. Ekko is fun to play as, with, or against, but people are making way too much of a fuss. He's not a big deal. He's certainly not OP. Lich Bane, on the other hand...
SicKüR1 votesRiot here's your reason not to nerf him ^ I
LordGeovanni1 votesnot as prominently as ekko. ekko has a litteral do not walk here indicator if you stupid enough to go walk there you deserve to be exploded upon
Reymonade1 votesOr use one of your dashes, slows, shield, stun, flash, burst the whole world or... wait, doesn't matter, he's 100% banned, right?
LordGeovanni1 votesyou mean the sheild with the longest set up time of any skill in the game thats a skill shot that reqires you to be utterly stupid for it to stun you or you be any where near it, it takes more skill shotting than ezreal ashe or jinx ulting acorss the map for last hit. it also has an indicator to show you when it was cast and it graciously faces in the direction he is gonna bat the slow/stun feild ill give you one thing his passive burst is too large and too often but his 99% ban rate is because players in league learn very slowly and arnt flexable
SicKüR1 votesThere's nothing more to say.
PerishSoftly2 votesYou forgot "Gap-close/escape/cross-map-teleport possible" on Ekko's
LordGeovanni1 votesyou literally ahve to walk into ekkos ult for the damage to take effect and they work in diffrent ways
LordGeovanni1 voteszil can cast on anyone and its not invunrability the person takes fatial damage and they get reverted back in time with a hp boost ekko takes fatial damage his ult doesnt auto activate he dies
Knight SoIaire 8 votesbecuase this is a both way working mechanic, all of its effectiveness is tied to interaction beetwen players, so giving it a mana cost would make the skill plainly bad and not worth the time
Visiting8 votes[{quoted}](name=Hagane No Arashi,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=midL3EM6,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-06-04T23:17:38.777+0000)
becuase this is a both way working mechanic, all of its effectiveness is tied to interaction beetwen players, so giving it a mana cost would make the skill plainly bad and not worth the time
So fundamentally then, there's just too much impact for a free ult.
Knight SoIaire 5 votesnope
if enemies outplay your ult or force you into a spot where you waste it then having mana cost on it would screew you double
basicaly it takess too much of skill to use it effectively and even if you have that skill enemies can actualy outmaneuwer you to waste it
SouL1ess14 votesoutplay your ult or force you into a spot where you waste it then having mana cost on it would screw you double
So...every other skill in league?
Talon's ult?
Zed's ult because you have less kill potential when used only to escape?
Any mobility spell?
Not sure why Ekko is given special treatment for being outplayed when his ult even heals him.
He also isn't ult-reliant as a skirmisher. Playing well with W and E makes sure you stay alive, and your passive gives you the combat damage you need for missing a damage skill on your actives. Other assassins don't get as much options when their ults are down.
Knight SoIaire 4 votesNot sure why Ekko is given special treatment for being outplayed when his ult even heals him.
because he is an assasin with the crappiest escape mechanism so they owerloaded it with power and didnt give it any mana cost to make it actualy work
DeusVult10 votesCrappiest escape mechanic????
being able to go in and unload on your target and then being able to go back 4 seconds + being healed, for free?
HOW IS THAT BAD?????
Knight SoIaire 2 voteseveryone knows where are you going ... one guy just getting to you after that splosion is your end
Desmond Law10 votesHis ult has an extra big ass heal. That should cost mana.
Knight SoIaire 2 votesits not a heal he rewerts the part of damage he recieved if you poke for prolonged periods of time he has no way of getting that hp back up
ShrekOnDeck13 votesThis physically hurt me to read.
All heals revert damage received. That's the definition of a heal.
Knight SoIaire 1 votesheal is replenishing your hp as far as your hp isnt full you can heal
reverting a portion of the damage dealt in couple last second isnt a simple heal, all that it does is simply reducing the damage you took in that time, you cant fully refill your hp, nor you can just activate it to refill your hp whenever you need to
it works on a simple rule, if you got hit in less than 4 seconds ago you can undo a certain % of that damage
you can say that it works on the same way that armor and magic resist do ... just with a delay
R1107 votesI'll quote his tooltip:
After a short delay, Ekko blinks to wherever he was 4 seconds ago, dealing magic damage to surrounding enemies and healing Ekko for a value equal to flat amount plus a percentage of all damage taken over the last 4 seconds.
Even if he didn't take damage the last 4 seconds it still heals as it has a flat healing component.
OyddAWqJ5r3 votesPeople really need to read the wiki before they make themselves look stupid on the forums. Good job m8
LordGeovanni1 votesbut its not prominent enough to cause much impact unless he was loaded upon in the last 4 seconds and has a 100-60 second cooldown what he is saying is damage over time rather than just bursting him would be more benificial
LordGeovanni1 votesnot enough impact to give the ult a cost
disregardable7 votesIt makes thematic sense. There isn't a point where he shouldn't be able to push his redo button. The issue is making his free redo button less impactful.
darkdill9 votesThat's a thematic vs. gameplay argument, and IMO gameplay should win out in this case.
SouL1ess5 votesYou should be able to punish anyone who poorly manages his mana
FTFY.
LordGeovanni1 votesyou can just not vis a vis his ult if people would try to have utility rather than straight damage on every champion in the team assassins would be less of a problem but everyone wants to claim they carried
khorney4 voteswait the enemy team knows when your ult is up ....
Visiting1 voteswait the enemy team knows when your ult is up ....
But you can't control when him and his team engages 100%. Sit there and watch team members die do to risk of him using his ult, or try to help your team. Idk. That's a tough one.
khorney2 votesBut you can't control when him and his team engages 100%. Sit there and watch team members die do to risk of him using his ult, or try to help your team. Idk. That's a tough one.
his biggest weakness is someone liek fizz or quinn who can disenage to a distance becuase he will jump on u run away then ult to
Visiting2 voteshis biggest weakness is someone liek fizz or quinn who can disenage to a distance becuase he will jump on u run away then ult to
So you're saying we have to play fizz or quinn to punish him for mistakes...
JZPorkins2 votesno he said someone like fizz or quinn who can back off. Ahri, Azir, Kassadin, Malzahar ( no escape you just nuke him into dust. ), Leblanc, Katarina, Lissandra (?), Zed, or Zigs.
Visiting1 votesno he said someone like fizz or quinn who can back off. Ahri, Azir, Kassadin, Malzahar ( no escape you just nuke him into dust. ), Leblanc, Katarina, Lissandra (?), Zed, or Zigs.
I think we're severely underestimating ekkos potential now.. ziggs? Mmmm. Granted malzahar shits on most people. Zed could be a gamble due to ekko being able to tele away from zeds ult and then dash back in after the mark procs. Leblanc now takes damage mid dash (sigh u_u). Kat get's pushed up really bad thanks to q spam, so she doesn't have much roaming potential til mid-ish game, or if you can poke ekko back to base. Never played azir. Interested to see how kassadin and ahri matches up.
Voluug134 votesMalzaharonly shits on mobile melee assassins. He is a counterpick.
khorney1 votesno he said someone like fizz or quinn who can back off. Ahri, Azir, Kassadin, Malzahar ( no escape you just nuke him into dust. ), Leblanc, Katarina, Lissandra (?), Zed, or Zigs.
thank you and its not his mistakes its he is all in and if you disenage he cant do anything becuase when he jumps on you disenage then punish him
SouL1ess2 votesif you disengage
Immobile picks are all screwed against Ekko because he can dive you with E then follow instantly with his Q for the slow. The only disengage option are mobility spells; you can't run away from a 30% slow at all.
Llanite1 votesHis ENTIRE combo without R is 520 + 1.7 @lvl 11. Anyone pulling bigger number (basically everyone) will win trade.
air tiger1 votesDoes that include his passive damage? That thing is a huge spike. I saw a video of someone playing ekko and he mentioned that his passive was doing 750 damage. it was late game, but still that is huge
Llanite1 votesQ 280+ 0.8 if his both parts. E 170+ 0.2 passive 147 + 0.7 @11
Totally 587 + 1.7.
Llanite2 votesOr basically everyone who has a brain not to chase him into his clone.
KidKaiser4 votesno lie. we dove him cuz he was oom.
only to find out his ulti had zero cost.
still got him and the tower. but we lost 2 guys free.
FastAsHeck4 votescopy-pasting my reply form another thread:
look, i agree with this but lets be honest here its not just ekko, the entire mana/energy mechanic must be changed. mana is supposed to be a limiter to the skills you can cast while energy is a limiter to the skills you can cast in a quick rotation. for example shen runs out of energy really fast if he uses all of his abilities and has to wait for his energy to recharge, even though the cooldown on his q and w is low he cant use them constantly. on the other hand there are champions (
) with ridiculus ults that have no mana cost.
TL;DR: its not just a problem with its a problem with the entire system.
LordGeovanni1 votesthey are highly situational ults and only lb's is low enough to be a constant threat the others you can literal run through where ever you want after its used with little to no chance for them to retaliate
FastAsHeck1 votesexactly
