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Is it just me or does Hurricane out preform Shiv in nearly every situation?

Irelia Bot··3 votes·756 views

2600 VS 2600 Tie 40% attack speed VS 35% attack speed ---Hurricane wins 30% Crit chance VS 30% crit chance ---Tied 7% MS VS 5% MS ---Hurricane wins 2 bolts that deal 25% damage that can crit and apply on hit damage and 15 on hit damage VS 50 to 120 damage that can crit and damage up to 5 targets.

Only 2 cases I can see Shiv being better to some degree is inconsistent poke and perhaps slightly better wave clear but not by much.

Riot are you sure that Huricane is not way to good currently? Just watching MSI, marksmen outside of graves (who does not function a like a marksmen anymore) always got Hurricane first. Only one I ever noticed getting rapidfire was Caitlyn if in a siege mode and that was at NA finals.

Might Hurricane be needing some changes so that it is not beating or comparable to Shiv in so many situations? Does it even need to be a zeal item in the first place?

11 Comments

SaltyKracka1 votes

Remember, Shiv also has to be balanced around Yasuo and Tryndamere.

And frankly, I have literally never seen a Lucian build hurricane, but Lucians build Shiv all the time.

Irelia Bot1 votes

I though The secret OP Trinity Lucian was the thing people did...

I guess I did forget about Lucian though after constantly seeing Kindrid, Caitlyn and graves all the time.

But this is more about Hurricane being too good then it is about Shiv being bad.

SaltyKracka1 votes

Eh. It's better in teamfights and most of the peeps who build it (Ashe, Cait, Twitch, Kal) are teamfighty ADCs.

It stands out more to you because you haven't been paying attention to the champs who want to build RFC (e.g. Sivir, Cait, Luc, Jhin).

Linna Excel1 votes

I don't think hurricane is too good by itself. I think it does exactly what it needs to.

Irelia Bot2 votes

You mean make on hit really strong for ranged which in turn makes it have to be fairly weak for melee? I have no question in my mind that Hurricane is part of the reason why BotRK was nerfed like it was.

JavelinJoe1 votes

Most cases hurricane is better for ranged champs where shiv is better for melee. But also if you are a burst caster ADC shv is better since you won't be AA for the majority of your damage.

Irelia Bot1 votes

Well shiv being better for melee is kinda like comparing bloodthirster and ravenous hydra and saying bloodthirster is better for ranged. IT is kinda given because hydra is melee only for a lot of the power it has.

This is about hurricane VS Shiv on ranged and how much Hurricane tends to be beating out Shiv in most every factor.

JavelinJoe2 votes

True. I was just showing what item 3087 was balanced around. item 3087 is better for non AA based champs such as Graves Ezreal Lucian. While not compleatly wasted on them, item 3085 is less effective than item 3087 would be at making good AOE damage or wave clearing because while item 3085 is up every auto, item 3087 gains stacks off off movement abilities such as dashes.

Linna Excel1 votes

In terms of win rate, both are pretty close to each other. Shiv seems to be a better pick on lucian and yasuo.

IMO they should probably rework shiv's passive a little to be a better burst item and keep hurricane as the DPS choice.

DorkunedAuras1 votes

Shiv gives single target damage while hurricane does nothing in a 1v1. The fact that shiv can crit means it's a significant thing.

Sohleks1 votes

Runaan's Hurricane has been messing up balance for a lot of champs that utilize it for a while now.

If you notice most of the really surprisingly strong ADCs and builds have tended to incorporate Runaan's lately.

It's doing two things that go way beyond what a tiny Shiv tweak is supposed to do.

• It increases lifesteal rate in teamfights by perhaps double since you're getting two extra 50% damage autos off.

• It provides the greatest aoe physical damage waveclear allowing the long range adc that buys it to damage baron empowered minions down perhaps better than anyone should (definitely better than anything else could). Strategically this goes too far and allows a team to much better withstand baron because their adc bought runaans lol (change baron minions to aoe resistance instead of magic resistance to combat this)

It's doing way more than some extra aoe dmg in fights. Runaan's is providing too much power. I always buy runaan's when the enemy team lacks tanks because it lets you indescriminately kill everything.

Look: we gave runaans 30% crit; and let its bolts crit, and scaled up its range to the ADC's for longer ranged ones. We gave it too much power and people are starting to catch on.

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