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Can we please address how blatantly bullshit Fiora's Riposte is?

Theorchero··106 votes·10,345 views

Yeah, you can play around it. At least, you could until Fiora players figured out you could riposte mid Fking dash. And also build pure tank while wrecking you because lol muh true damage.

She has a massive amount of power in unavoidable damage, and she basically auto wins most lanes if she gets lucky and the vital respawns right where she's aaing you. Have you ever had that happen? She procs a vital, then it respawns in the same spot so she smacks you again for a crapload of max health true damage.

Even the max health true damage I can deal with. Even her crazy healing. ** My problem is that Riposte is a blanket solution to any amount of cc or damage, and she is rewarded even if she fails to mitigate anything significant with a powerful movement speed and attack speed slow.**

I'm okay with it blocking a lot of things. Maybe not true damage or ignite but, I can deal with that. What I can't deal with is her being able to do it at the drop of the hat, without having to aim the skillshot what so ever. So I have a suggestion to Riot so that Fiora isn't an auto-win for the team that locks her in the LCS and she isn't as blatantly bullshit to deal with.

Why not make Riposte a cone similar to Annie's Incinerate, and only block abilities from within that cone? This reinforces her dueling fantasy, she has to outplay you by expert positioning, instead of just baiting an ult or mashing W when you get caught. It also lets you punish her if you manage to get the jump on her.

Also, remove the fucking slow.

88 Comments

Maple Crusader32 votes

Riposte should not be able to block summoner 3 summoner 14 summoner 11 summoner 32

Retillin4 votes

It can block snowballs??? wtf! I didn't think anything could.

TTUPhoenix2 votes

Pretty sure Sivir should be able to as well. She can spell shield exhaust and smite, and probably ignite, though I've never managed it.

Retillin1 votes

Na, it goes through Sivir/Noc's spell shield.

TTUPhoenix1 votes

Really? I could swear I've shielded smite (at least chilling smite), but I don't think I've ever managed Exhaust, though I chalked that up to difficulty with the timing/prediction.

Captain Aishi1 votes

snowball goes through spellshields, smite doesn't though (if you smite someone with banshee's veil, it deactivates it, snowballing a veiled target doesn't)

Sir Fuzzi1 votes

It also goes through Yasuo and Braum's walls as far as I know.

PokladnicaZla2 votes

Add Karthus 's Ultimate.It's funny playing Fiora on aram and just blocking his R.Like wtf?

DracosKasu2 votes

Did you know? Fizz can also this if you time your troll pole correctly. This kind of ability isnt new.

1011001110003 votes

The difference is that Fizz doesn't burn your CD if you try to drop a summoner on him and he poles.

DracosKasu2 votes

Actually you can if you time exactly the ability when you ignite. The chance that will happen is mostly due to luck. Fiora have an animation when she cast rispote if you do it when you see it then it is your own fault

Wimbledofy3 votes

You cannot lose your cd of ignite or other summoner spell by trying to use it on fizz. If he poles the same time you try to ignite him, he either gets ignited and takes damage, or he doesn't get ignited but ignite doesn't go on cooldown.

InTheKappaWeTrus1 votes

another problem with riposte compared to playful/trickster is that atleast it dose not block cc then return it, which makes controlling a team fight or pick easy, compared to playful/trickster which can do the same, but it is harder to do since the enemy can respawn when trickster is done (Unless its a adc then hehexd)

Wolverines1 votes

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Riposte should not be able to block summoner 3 summoner 14 summoner 11 summoner 32

Riposte CAN block summoner 14 seen it happen in a 3v3 ranked game

Cowgirl Ed18 votes

Fiora is bullshit, and it's getting fucking boring to have all these cancer champs and only 6 bans TBH I start to understand why people ask for more bans

Keevalroy19 votes

One common misconception is that people believe we want more bans because we think certain champs are uncounterable. That's not it at all - we just hate fighting champions that are infuriating to play against, and regardless of what Riot thinks, they keep churning out frustrating champ after frustrating champ and do next to nothing to ease the pain of the frustration already present in the game.

YumaS2Astral4 votes

{quoted}

One common misconception is that people believe we want more bans because we think certain champs are uncounterable. That's not it at all - we just hate fighting champions that are infuriating to play against, and regardless of what Riot thinks, they keep churning out frustrating champ after frustrating champ and do next to nothing to ease the pain of the frustration already present in the game.

There are no uncounterable champions. Every champion can be beaten, no matter how difficult it is, and no matter how strong they are.

The real reason why more bans should be added is to allow for more diverse strategy since currently there are too many champions and sometimes there are champions that you can't just leave open. For example, normally Darius could be a good ban, but not if you plan to play Lulu top lane. The problem is that there aren't enough bans to cover every lane's needs, if there were 5 bans each side instead of 3, people could start just banning champions that would counter whatever they plan to use instead of banning champions that are strong in general.

Ver Danielle2 votes

Fiora has pretty much the same kit as Yasuo and Fizz. They all are light fighters with CC/ability denial, hypermobility and ability to wreck squishies and tanks alike. They consistently rotate in boards hate list, just get used to it. Nothing new.

The Ginger Ninga1 votes

This board tends to circle jerk the new FOTM for a bit, but it tends to die down without much actually being done. If I remember correctly Riot didn't need to touch Yasuo at all during the preseason, just the items he used and Warlord's. But they do get something done sometimes, so you can't say it's pointless.

doombotMECHA1 votes

hey don't lump fizz in with them fizz actaully has waveclear problems and low early damage

Ver Danielle1 votes

Waveclear problems on fizz? Single E kills the whole wave... Fiora has much worse waveclear than Fizz, unless she builds hydra

SlytherinUmbreon17 votes

Can we please address how blatantly bullshit Fiora's Kit is?

fixed

Akenero3 votes

{quoted}

fixed

look at my fucking match history see those fiora games? THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES I'VE PLAYED WITH HER I JUST FUCKING BOUGHT HER

I'm literally becoming ill from the bullshit she contains

Narasimha2 votes

I'm a bit confused. Are you saying she's strong, or weak? Because you've done absolutely horribly in almost all your games with her. You went positive in 1 game, and everywhere else you got massacred. So theres only two explanations.

  1. She's not that 'bullshit'.
  2. You are literally so bad that even a 'broken' champion can't help you.

Which one is it?

Sir Fuzzi1 votes

Raw savagery.

The Bearded Bard12 votes

I always feel super outplayed when I catch a fiora out 2v1 or whatever and instead of being able to easily fight her like we should be able to, she presses W on a disable, stuns one of us, ults the other and kills both of us.

Very skillful.

Provengreil7 votes

Duelist, so she's very good 3v1.

Kuronok21 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Bearded Bard,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mfxFaptL,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-01-31T00:35:53.404+0000)

I always feel super outplayed when I catch a fiora out 2v1 or whatever and instead of being able to easily fight her like we should be able to, she presses W on a disable, stuns one of us, ults the other and kills both of us.

Very skillful.

If both of you let her spin around and procs her vital it's clear she outplayed you.

Also it's not so easy to use her W perfectly.

The Bearded Bard8 votes

I have never felt outplayed against a Fiora. Whether it be in a 5v5, 2v1, or 1v1 it seems she just has to turn her ult on and hope she or her teammate kills the target, then she/her team wins that fight.

In a 1v1, even if you somehow manage to not get your one CC ability thrown back in your face, she's still just gonna ult and murder you.

Keevalroy3 votes

Can we please address how blatantly bullshit Fiora's Riposte is?

I thought this was a known issue?

Slamurai Jack3 votes

What Fiora's are you guys fighting that are giving you such a hard time baiting out their riposte? Most of the Fiora's I play against are absurdly easy to bait and these are diamond players.

Theorchero8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Slamurai Jack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mfxFaptL,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-01-31T01:11:57.281+0000)

What Fiora's are you guys fighting that are giving you such a hard time baiting out their riposte? Most of the Fiora's I play against are absurdly easy to bait and these are diamond players.

That's not the point. I can probably deal with 90% of Fioras top lane as Nasus, and that's before I really even outscale them. The problem is that Fiora if properly executed can ignore entire ultimates. Fizz is similar like that, but you don't risk getting half your team stunned by 1.5seconds if she managed to riposte before you lock her down. Even when you do, she has crazy sustain and is tanky while still chunking the fuck out of you.

Slamurai Jack5 votes

Fiora stunning 3 people with her riposte is about as likely as Yasuo blocking 3 ults with his windwall. Which is to say, not very common and requires a massive misplay on the enemies part.

TTUPhoenix9 votes

It's actually even less likely, in that it's impossible. Riposte damages all enemies in the area, but the slow/stun are only applied to the first enemy champion hit, even if multiple champs are in the aoe.

EvilRabbitt1 votes

I'd give so much for an aoe stun-deflect. :C Rip the dream.

Tribbles Foxfolk3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Embrace the Bard,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mfxFaptL,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-01-30T22:54:23.526+0000)

Yeah, you can play around it. At least, you could until Fiora players figured out you could riposte mid Fking dash. And also build pure tank while wrecking you because lol muh true damage.

She has a massive amount of power in unavoidable damage, and she basically auto wins most lanes if she gets lucky and the vital respawns right where she's aaing you. Have you ever had that happen? She procs a vital, then it respawns in the same spot so she smacks you again for a crapload of max health true damage.

Even the max health true damage I can deal with. Even her crazy healing. ** My problem is that Riposte is a blanket solution to any amount of cc or damage, and she is rewarded even if she fails to mitigate anything significant with a powerful movement speed and attack speed slow.**

I'm okay with it blocking a lot of things. Maybe not true damage or ignite but, I can deal with that. What I can't deal with is her being able to do it at the drop of the hat, without having to aim the skillshot what so ever. So I have a suggestion to Riot so that Fiora isn't an auto-win for the team that locks her in the LCS and she isn't as blatantly bullshit to deal with.

Why not make Riposte a cone similar to Annie's Incinerate, and only block abilities from within that cone? This reinforces her dueling fantasy, she has to outplay you by expert positioning, instead of just baiting an ult or mashing W when you get caught. It also lets you punish her if you manage to get the jump on her.

Also, remove the fucking slow.

Who threw the dart at the "Thing GP&B Boards are Going to Whine About This Week" board and hit Fiora? Yeah, she can be frustrating, but I don't see her hardly EVER.

I feel like THIS is why Riot can't take GP&B seriously anymore. People latch onto whatever they decided would be the next big BS (hello Rengar) and just whine about it for a week until they throw another dart and start crying again.

If you want real OP, try Gnar pre-S6. Shop = rekt.

ValyrianBlade6 votes

You don't see Fiora ever?

Whenever I watch a ban cycle, if I see top lane bans from the enemy team that aren't Fiora I always think to myself "I bet they're first picking Fiora". I've been right 100% of the time.

What nerfs happened to Gnar in S6? I only picked him up this season so I don't know how strong he was last season, but he's low ranged at the early levels (laning phase) so he doesn't seem to have much of a ranged advantage in lane (e.g. Fiora massively stomps on him thanks to her dash).

Ràinbow3 votes

Completely my opinion and I'm anticipating downvotes:

It's irritating seeing complaint threads about Fiora that don't have anything to deal with her VU because if anything, THJAT'S what we, even till this day, should complain to Riot about. You don't care for her art? Then you're not a real Fiora fan and odds are you're just in it for the power. Riot changed a champ not a lot, but a good amount of people liked, for the sake of everyone that hated her prior to her rework.. Now that her haters got what they wanted, their's STILL something you guys have to complain about while the people who loved her are grieving.

Gregor Gysi3 votes

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Completely my opinion and I'm anticipating downvotes:

It's irritating seeing complaint threads about Fiora that don't have anything to deal with her VU because if anything, THJAT'S what we, even till this day, should complain to Riot about. You don't care for her art? Then you're not a real Fiora fan and odds are you're just in it for the power. Riot changed a champ not a lot, but a good amount of people liked, for the sake of everyone that hated her prior to her rework.. Now that her haters got what they wanted, their's STILL something you guys have to complain about while the people who loved her are grieving.

I like her art. It really fits her character - and is, unlike most female champions, not that generic indifferent or somewhat friendly look. Fiora isn't nice and friendly. Fiora is brusque and arrogant and her new artwork actually reflects that unlike her old ones.

However, I can see why someone who is (unlike me) a Fiora main since a long time really loves that old artwork simply because that is part of the Fiora they played for a long time. I think there are programs that can make you change artwork and such - did you take a look at that?

Ràinbow1 votes

Oh, I have, but I heard such programs makes you lag pretty bad and from someone who already deals with lag I wouldn't dare use it. lol

Gregor Gysi1 votes

It shouldn't affect your ingame performance as it simply changes the login screen - and nothing more. I wasn't talking about ingame models - afaik there is no "traditional Fiora" model anyways.

Serika Zero5 votes

Because the original Fiora was a cocky bitch in her 20s, she was hot, elegant and had a beautiful ultimate then they reworked her, they deleted the original Fiora. Replaced her with an antique 60yo copy, which was even more arrogant and has even less counterplay (you can't do anything vs % max hp true damage).

That's why, everyone that was maining the old Fiora totally disliked the rework. Our champion got DELETED. Theres NOTHING of the original Fiora in the new one. Even the artwork changed. All her skills changed. EVEN HER LORE CHANGED. The only thing remanining is the name and title. And nobody that mained the old Fiora mained her for those 2 reasons (Fiora name and Duelist title)

Spicy Rice1 votes

Because old fiora who could pentakill your team with a hydra and her "r" was very very balanced...

Serika Zero4 votes

maximum R damage of old fiora was 4000 AoE damage with Hydra procs. However, its a different from normal 4k AoE damage (like MF for example who will do 3k or so dmg to everyone in there for its entire duration, so 3k multiplied by 5, gives her a potential of 15k damage output). Ofc both cases the enemy team has no armor.

Because all of that 4k was speard randomly across 5 enemy team members (ideal situation where you would hit your R on 5 nearby enemy champions and get hydra procs on all of them). Again, that is the small amount of times you get the entire enemy team in a small jungle path. And if you do the math 4000 divided by 5 = 800 dmg. If a old Fiora got a Pentakill by just pressing R, it means that the enemy (all of them) had 800hp or less. And at this point, many champions can get a penta.

Riven can do potentially 6k AoE damage spear across 5 enemy members with her ult in ideal conditions, with more range and no mana costs. Pretty much every mage was able to do more AoE damage, than original fiora with her ult. But whatever, pentakill by doing 800*5 dmg, muh broken. Lets just give her 104% max enemy hp true damage, now she's balanced.

Mathematically original Fiora was more than fine. But whatever, exaggerated complains with zero real basis got her deleted. Meanwhile, lets buff Lee Sin and give him ult more dmg <3.

TotalJerk1 votes

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Then you're not a real Fiora fan and odds are you're just in it for the power.

That's a "no true Scotsman" argument, you know?

SlytherinUmbreon1 votes

*Frenchman

Ràinbow1 votes

I don't know/care what that is.

ZeeWolfZ2 votes

Fiora's W Blocks EVERYTHING from ANY DIRECTION during 0.75 second duration. She can block every CC in the game during that period. Trust me, 0.75 sec is HUGE in league.

You don't need to aim that bullshit ability. At all. Press, and go destroy.

Phoenix Kotori 1 votes

if she gets lucky and the vital respawns right where she's aaing you. Have you ever had that happen? She procs a vital, then it respawns in the same spot so she smacks you again for a crapload of max health true damage.

They literally patched this week saying it was a bug.

Why not make Riposte a cone similar to Annie's Incinerate, and only block abilities from within that cone? This reinforces her dueling fantasy, she has to outplay you by expert positioning, instead of just baiting an ult or mashing W when you get caught. It also lets you punish her if you manage to get the jump on her.

You would have to give her such massive compensation for that it's stupid or you don't you turn her into the next Azir, cause that's what we need more champions who awful the hands of anyone w/o 1000 games on them.

We could just nerf her base numbers and buff her scaling so much she doesn't get so rewarded for going full tank.

ValyrianBlade12 votes

I honestly think Fiora's riposte should be a skillshot. Up the duration if necessary, but it's bogus that I can attack her from behind and just because she taps W she parries my attack without even looking at me let alone placing a sword between us...

I wouldn't mind it though if they changed the animation to be a twirling parry, then it would make sense.

In that case, I think the nerf should be that if Fiora doesn't parry anything the skill shouldn't do anything! I think it's bogus that I can be fighting Fiora, see her start Riposte and stop attacking her, yet still get my AS slowed and take damage from her Riposte. It is a defensive ability, make it defensive only. Get rid of the damage entirely in all cases. Make the AS slow only apply if she hits you with the lunge forward (and make the hitbox accurate because right now it seems to have a huge width) and Riposte blocked anything.

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