okay just putting this out there because so many of you seem to not understand this but 50% WR doesnt have to mean balanced. balance doesnt have a direct association with winrate. riot have other factors to consider when balancing a champion, not just if their winrate is above or under 50%.
So before you yasuo mains go running off crying about how your champion is at 49% and you want him buffed, take a look at this post and think again.
GankedByWindows7 votesIt doesn't, but that doesn't mean it is useless either. It can be a useful measure of strength when you take into account other factors too. If someone like Garen had a 60% winrate, there is an obvious problem.
SwiftKitten884 votesIt doesn't, but that doesn't mean it is useless either. It can be a useful measure of strength when you take into account other factors too. If someone like Garen had a 60% winrate, there is an obvious problem.
or u know if a champ has a 44% win rate its a problem..
GankedByWindows1 votesIf its a super high skill floor champion it might not be. Thats when the other statistics that I mentioned are necessary. If mains have a 52% winrate on that champion after 50 games, I would say they're in a good spot, they're just a hard champion to pick up on short notice.
SwiftKitten884 votesIf its a super high skill floor champion it might not be. Thats when the other statistics that I mentioned are necessary. If mains have a 52% winrate on that champion after 50 games, I would say they're in a good spot, they're just a hard champion to pick up on short notice.
i main her.. i have 38th most nidalee master in NA and i can climb faster on support than i can on her in her current state... she has the lowest winrate of any jungler (except the recently nerfed rengar) and even some NON junglers have a higher jungle win rate than her in jungle...
if riot was goign to remove her ability to top mid and support so she could "jungle" then at last make her VIABLE in jungle... is that too much to ask
GankedByWindows1 votesThat just means you're better at whatever support champions you play than Nidalee. Nidalee mains with over 200 games have a pretty high winrate of 55%. Her overall winrate is just shy of 50% as well. I'm not really sure where you're pulling the lowest winrate jungle thing from unless you haven't looked recently. I would say she is viable, at least in solo queue where we play.
SwiftKitten881 votesThat just means you're better at whatever support champions you play than Nidalee. Nidalee mains with over 200 games have a pretty high winrate of 55%. Her overall winrate is just shy of 50% as well. I'm not really sure where you're pulling the lowest winrate jungle thing from unless you haven't looked recently. I would say she is viable, at least in solo queue where we play.
her winrate in plat+ is 48%... her OVERALL winrate is 44%
and even in plat + she is STILL the worst jungler (again other than the recently nerfed rengar who is only 1% below her
you could literally buff her winrate by 4-5% in EVERY elo and NOT break her
nidalee is not only a champ that requires high skill, she is EXTREMELY team reliant.. more so than almost any other champ...
like i said in another tread... it doesn't matter if your 20/0/15 if they group as three or more... you CANNOT pounce in after a spear lands. meaning you cant defend or attack turrets alone if they are grouped regardless of kda... regardless of skill you NEED your team. the problem is now not only do u NEED your team you cant even win half of the 1v1s you used to be able to... in season 3-6
the match you used to lose you get DESTROYED in
the matchups you used to win you can almost go even in the matchign you used to completely counter now go even with you.
i have over 1000 nidalee games i KNOW these matchups... i know what she can do and what she USED to be able to do
LankPants1 votesher winrate in plat+ is 48%...
And that is all that matters. Low ranked games are an utter shitfest where people fail to grasp even the basic fundamentals of their own champions. The game should never be balanced around that.
SwiftKitten881 votesAnd that is all that matters. Low ranked games are an utter shitfest where people fail to grasp even the basic fundamentals of their own champions. The game should never be balanced around that.
from what i hear.. so are plat+ games...
either way your point is bullshit.
YES 48% is an acceptable winrate for plat plus IF YOU IGNORE EVERY OTHER PIECE OF DATA THERE IS!!!
when you also take into account that she is the 2nd worst jungler in the game in her role... IN EVERY ELO (only becuase rengar got gutted and took her last place spot)
when you take into account NON JUNGLER HAVE A HIGHER JUNGLE WINRATE THAN HER.
when you take into account she REQIURES a coordicated team with specific picks to make her work..
when you take into account that she hardcounters NOTHING and half the champion pool counters her and 1/4th hardcounters her including EVERY meta pick.
when you take into account that it isn't a champ like 
that goes from 52% win rate in lower elo down to 49% in high elo.
but instead she goes from 40% up to 48%
and when u take into account that plat + players would never dream of touching her unless they bloody mastered her and have a team comp based around in her current state.
she has next to zero banrate... next to zero playrate
when you take all that into account... and see a 48% winrate.
then you know winrate ALONE in one elo when ignoring 99% of the data. then yeah.. you can come up with a BS reason why she is "ok"
but if you want to look at actual data.. then she could use a 4-5 winrate increase across EVERY ELO and NOT be broken.
i mean its pretty fucking easy to tell the people who hate nidalee..
when nidalee reached 38% winrate beating out the 10th place spot for the lowest winrate in the HISTORY of league of legends.. and i asked for buffs.. people STILL said she "was fine".
if you choose to ignore the blinding obvious data then dont bother posting on balance.
thats like saying "my best friend is extremely healthy, because his heart in is great condition." when your friend died in a car crash and he was an organ donor, and some person got their life saved by his heart in heart transplant.
You're KINDA missing the bloody point
Spicy Rice1 votesMastery doesn't mean shit m8. Just because you play a champ alot, doesnt mean you are good with them.
rtbf2216514124 votesBut Super Smash Brother's Melee tier list never changed. Never. Winrates never changed. Never. Nothing new was ever discovered. Never.
[zombie-brand-facepalm]
cinomenapplebae2 votesThey are 2 separate games
rtbf2216514123 votesThey are 2 separate games
As if you can't find new builds or anything here.
Mira Arya Enthe3 votesComparing win rate, play rate, average playerbase experience, ban rate, matchups, win rate by player experience, win rate by game length in correlation with other design factors is an AMAZING way to gauge the strength and fairness of a champion in an objective way, avoiding whether that champion hurt somebody's feelers recently.
SexyBabyJesusZ2 voteswhy is certainlyT allowed to make champions
for real tho
Unvictus2 votesI swear every champ he makes is always overloaded and overpowered on release. Warwick's rework was suprisingly a success and not completely busted, as he was in charge of it. Hopefully that's a sign that he's taken it down a notch.
SexyBabyJesusZ1 votesI swear every champ he makes is always overloaded and overpowered on release. Warwick's rework was suprisingly a success and not completely busted, as he was in charge of it. Hopefully that's a sign that he's taken it down a notch.
if i owned riot my first action would be making him sign a contract saying if he makes/reworks a champion that is on the level of stupid that yasuo is. he gets fired.
Beastyboy387IVC2 votes
as well as reworks to 
Even though their releases weren't the greatest as well as being oppressive () or overloaded (, ) some were great and inovative. IMO and were great. They spread new life in their respective roles as well as being incredibily fun.
SexyBabyJesusZ1 votes
all aids champs, your point?
Yaśuo Main1 votesThresh "aids"
Yaśuo Main2 votesYeah you're right.
It actually equals win rate AND play rate. Yasuo has a shitload of play rate but at the same time is a "negative" win rate (below 50% in intended lane) but for some reason is really strong at his alternate lane.
Takazaki2 votespeople tend to forget yasuos don't normally hit a 50% winrate till at least 100 games played
100*30(minutes)/60= 50
thats 50 hours of practice assuming you didnt spend any time in practice mode
Erockandroll2 votesIt's a tool, but an imperfect tool.
And the other issue with Win rates is "who's win rate?" Cause we have people who use their rank as an authority to balance. Claiming that the game should be balanced around plat. Which is a far cry from the lower ELO, (which I think is the most popular ranks) and different still from the pro scene. And issues with Skill floor, Skill cap, team synergy, are all going to be different. Yet Riot tries to take all tiers of play into account.
Also, Balanced does not mean FAIR. A champ with a perfect 50% win rate, could still have a frustrating play pattern that drains the fun out of the game.
q3fogWe6LF1 votesPut your dick in a box.
Now it's balanced.
Shahamut1 votesI dont want him buffed, I just dont think he needs nerfs... Not a yasuo main by any means, but thats my two cents.
I only look at his winrate to say he isnt OP... cuz if he was seriously over powered, I dont think his skill floor is so high it would keep it below 50% yeah?
