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is riot happy about what they did to half of the assassins?

omegaarab··2 votes·419 views

lets kill these guys burst, cuz 100 to 0 instant is unhealthy. its ok tho well let half of them that was already good keep it, and let mages that have range and cc do it as well. god forbid an assassin kills faster than a juggernaut, NERF.

i really dont understand why they decided to gut talon zed akali and ad shaco with all these anti assassin delays and limitations. leblanc is fine since she has cc and range and so is kat since she has range, multiple instant gap closers and isnt aa reliant. they gave him a good lane but completely destroyed his late game, now he has no dmg nich and is a shittier lee sin. most mages never have to get in range to get hit by ur w or atleast second w anyways, along side having cc so good luck abusing lane. syndra gets 1 kill in lane and only has to land 1 ability plus ult to kill someone< at higher range alon having an ezmode stun. god forbid talon or aklai has to spend less than 3.5 seconds oh no. u know what else is a good idea? lets buff kha and rengar and give them EVEN MORE EASIER FASTER BURST? the unpopular guys with low winrates outside of he small nice that otp them? BETTER NERF!

why in the world would u play half of these guys, now that off builds and jglers do thier job even better, while offering alot more to thier team. also, safe mages exist with cc utility AND the same kill time why play the gutted assassins???????????????????????????????????????/

cant enjoy playing my favorite champion if thier top or jg kills me faster than i kill thier adc. seriously, by the time u w or r bldes come back ur 1 hit away from death while vi or hecarim pressed r and already killed ur adc, gl folks. also, hes still feast and famin doesnt bring anything otehr tan dmg wich was supposed to be compensation like rito promised us did i miss something

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Tormentula2 votes

The problem with assassins is they need to one shot carries inorder to be assassins.

However, there are so many nonassassin divers that literally do the same thing it raises the big question: Why play X over Lee, Vi, Elise, Graves, Noc, etc.

Rengar instantly destroys people which isn't healthy, but that's why he's a true assassin. However assassins with delay giving the opponent reaction time are outclassed by divers who lock the opponent down, are tanky enough to stay in the fight, and 100-0 at least one single target (vi, lee, hec). Something I'd like to see discussion on is why do people play talon mid over mid vi? It still confuses me on what talon does so significantly better than vi that he can mid but she can't, roaming isn't too bad since vi is a jungler built for ganks.

Additionally, damage charts don't even show assassins doing the most damage. I've even seen leonas and maokais do double the damage of my fed assassins in the post game graphs. Don't get me started on poppy and nasus. Again, begging the question why do we even need assassins... its a class that might as well be reworked to nonexistance and all be divers that build off tank.

omegaarab1 votes

thats exactly what im saying. why would i build full ad talon, when hed do more dmg even with half the ad if he lived long enough to use his entire kit? why wouldnt i go cleaver titanic phantom dancer ie and righteos glory and do my job better, survive and be able to duel melees?

why does roaming matter if u dont have the dmg or cc or gap close to do anything with it? why would an assassin have most of his dmg traded for slow cast time cc cancelable mobility with no blinks????????????

Mafia LeBlanc1 votes

I think the assassin rework is the most unpopular class rework to date, by a large margin.

The support rework was pretty good and solidified their role - made AP scaling on their support abilities rather than damage.

The marksman rework was excellent and gave each ADC their own niche when they were all pretty similar beforehand.

The juggernaut rework was controversial, but after the dust settled after a month or so, it became accepted.

The assassin rework has been complained about by both assassin players, and the people who play against them. I don't think there is one character in this rework that people have said 'yeah I enjoy this champion more now than before' - either by the assassin player, or those who play against them.

I think that they do a pretty good job with the reworks for the most part, but they need to swallow their pride and admit they screwed up and revert the reworks and let the people who actually play the champions have more input on the direction these reworks take. That is probably the biggest reason why they flopped - they took zero feedback from anyone who actually mained these characters and just added delays for the hell of it, while giving them even more BS abilities for the sake of trying to make them unique from one another. The thing is - assassins were already very different from each other anyway, with very different playstyles, and had clear counterplay.

High elo and competitive scenes rarely featured assassins and mostly had control mages in their stead.

I think both assassin mains and the playerbase as a whole would be better off if they reverted all of the reworks and started fresh.

omegaarab1 votes

i agree. ur wrong on one think there is ONE that they like, wich is kat wich i think shouldnt be reverted but numbers changes are welcome. leblanc is worse in the busted department not the nerf one. talon zed akali and fizz are just god awful reworks, my main is fear is that theyre not popular enough for riot to care to change them

Rewt1 votes

they slowed kha's burst...... kha cant 1 shot a jihn with a single q now..... i used to hunt jihn and he wouldnt even be able to auto me before he died.

as for assassins in general.... really it comes down to the tank meta coming back. tank itemization is really good, while damage itemization isnt. think about your options while building damage..... there arnt any. its a decision of which item to build first. With tanks they have tons of build paths and different items for different situations.

The game needs more items with lethality. AND MORE OF IT. assassins shouldnt be able to 1 shot tanks, but they should be able to get around 1/2 - 2/3 of their health off.

omegaarab1 votes

the problem isnt about wether they can fight tanks, theyre not meant to. but when a tank kills them faster and locks them down faster than they can kill a squishy, why wouldnt u just use that off tank????

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