the real nerf no one talks about

omegaarab··6 votes·811 views

talon used to be so impactful in the hands of a experienced player. now hes just a walking zoning tool.we all know the gap close nerf was bad cuz a dash is obviously worse the a bling. however why? riot gave talon quite alot of counterplay, way too much but in the mean time they removed his own counterplay options in the proccess. how is he supposed to surive lane against long range mages with a cc like lux or viegar now. old talon had it hard enough but there was skillful executs u can do to somehow beat them early and rip them a new one mid game wich he deseved considering his lane and role. now u cant e out of viegars( this is god awfully annoying) ur not going to get past luxs q, good luck reaching syndra before ur hp bar reaches zero. its enough that w,r and r is nerfed and his passive is now clunky and required to kill but did they really have to take away his counterplay option? now if you somehow manage to reach q range with ur low ms on a mage or adc, ir probably going to get it interuppted by some cc ability anyways since its so slow low range and telegraphed,i can accept thw other changes but i really want his blink back, wich would make his passive smoother and just a little bit faster.... i never lost to a vuegar once on old talon.once once. and i mained him for season 5 and 6 fully. never lost to viegar ahri or akali(lol still havent shes even worse off than talon poor thing) also q is supposed to garuntee an aa and melee q is supposed to give u more dmg, however if u melee q a target moving away u cant aa them after as talon stays in place unlike the leap. i... i just miss old talon i wish i played more matches before they gutted him trying to climb with him feels so bad now....my poor 2 mains shaco and talon, good old time ripping adc buttholes and now its vice versa

32 Comments

GULAG 4 U2 votes

Maybe you're ehm, supposed to run ghost and flash plus ghostblade and ult? You shouldn't engage with Q anymore, you're supposed to come from FOW and ult QW(hydra) AA and let the bleed to it's work?

Just because you can't faceroll a full combo on the enemy laner anymore for a kill it doesn't mean he's weak.

omegaarab1 votes

if he isnt weak why is his winrate so bad?

Titanium703 votes

What exactly is wrong with 52% winrate?... (plat+) He has the same winrate as Vi, Twitch or Sion and is among the Top 20 of all Champions.

Assassin (most) can no longer faceroll like they did before (And SKILL-Assassinplayers always denied).

Hell, it's almost like they... trade DMG for mobility!!! OMG!

Talons romaing is nearly unmatched - learn to use it!

omegaarab1 votes

dmg is way more important than immbolity, especially as he already had good in combat mobilty and now he has niether and cant solo carry for his lfed talon will alwyas be out carried by say a fed top laner life iora, darius, yasuo, and his roaming is good and all till ur actually get in the enem lane when ur slow, have to get in q range and land w and 10/10 ur lane gonna stand there and watch

also it doesnt help his garbage post 30 min/lategame where ur never going to kill anyone with ur shit dmg and wont even be able to proc ur passive with a cc tank,redemption,heal,locket,exhaust, adc mobilty creep with items and a single dash or flash

Papa Slothy1 votes

talon used to be so impactful in the hands of a experienced player

I wouldn't say that

omegaarab1 votes

yes, if he got fed in lane pre 6(not somethin easy to pull off) hed back buy go bot and oneshot the adc instantly nd the support too getting ur bot ahead. do this and kill ur laner once or twice and it was gg as talon can hop on the middle of a team and kill every squishy there with his w ult hydra

Papa Slothy1 votes

he fell off realllly hard late game

omegaarab1 votes

he does now, late game u can still kill an adc if u do ur combo right and he can shred armor of tanks so his team can finsih them off, but now his lategame is nonexistent while his earl has the dmg , but its delayed, low ms, and easily avoided

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

Also, his wallhops during fights don't feel like he outplayed you, but more like you just got trolled.

Buff it to give him extra MS after wallhoping, but don't let him wallhop in combat.

Would help him get into range too, wallhop, ult, and Youmuu's for tons of MS, then run up to them and crit them into a normal combo. Or save Youmuu's for sticking if you need it, or ult for outplaying mages.

omegaarab1 votes

nothing in his kit is going to help u get to a mage with long range cc in lane. once ur in viegars e he trys to dmg u and if he doesnt he leaves before u can get in range to retaliate. in lane if u somehow surive the e spam against lux her q by far outranges his abilities and his e is telegraphed so if she isnt trying to kill u wont kill her, killing a vayne or ezreal got alot harder than neccesaty amd he has endless bugs in his kit to prevent his passive or invisiblity from procing

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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nothing in his kit is going to help u get to a mage with long range cc in lane. once ur in viegars e he trys to dmg u and if he doesnt he leaves before u can get in range to retaliate. in lane if u somehow surive the e spam against lux her q by far outranges his abilities and his e is telegraphed so if she isnt trying to kill u wont kill her, killing a vayne or ezreal got alot harder than neccesaty amd he has endless bugs in his kit to prevent his passive or invisiblity from procing

The key phrase is, "In lane".

He's too good at getting in and out in the jungle.

omegaarab1 votes

yeah but his sustain i crap so u have to back after first clear, hes squishy and offers no cc so ud have to get really damn fed early, if riot intended to make him jg theyd make his passive work on camps or his q heal no matter what

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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yeah but his sustain i crap so u have to back after first clear, hes squishy and offers no cc so ud have to get really damn fed early, if riot intended to make him jg theyd make his passive work on camps or his q heal no matter what

He doesn't have to be jungle to be in the jungle :P

They changed him to be the way he is because they noticed a lot of people building Mobo's and roaming instead of trying to get solo kills.

omegaarab1 votes

so thhen whyd they gut his dmg in order to give him roaming? he could do it just fne with no fancy stuff before, and his e and no delays made it more effective once in lane

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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so thhen whyd they gut his dmg in order to give him roaming? he could do it just fne with no fancy stuff before, and his e and no delays made it more effective once in lane

I dunno.

Calabok1 votes

He's fine. Just jump over things and be happy.

omegaarab1 votes

he is not fine, jumoing over things wont give me the dmg to kill an adc or mobility to kill a mage in the middle of a lane

Calabok1 votes

Yadda Yadda Kappa

Elisheva1 votes

Stopped reading after "added counterplay". If you're aurelion sol, maybe. But let's be honest, since when is he more relevant than other champions.

omegaarab1 votes

thats the point he was already bad and they went and mid him alotworse for no reason, he used to be useable especially lategame

Elisheva1 votes

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thats the point he was already bad and they went and mid him alotworse for no reason, he used to be useable especially lategame

He isn't bad though. He is just different.

omegaarab1 votes

worse is differant

Elisheva1 votes

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worse is differant

while you are correct in saying that worse is always different, different is not always worse.

omegaarab1 votes

it is in this case, for talon. slower is always worse, and talon is slowe in everyway, with the only compensation being a powershit not increase, and by late game actual decrease

ChaddyFantome1 votes

my issue with your entire post is you make a lot of vague and flat statements alike "he is clunky" and "his E would make his passive smoother".

Like, in what fucking way?

omegaarab1 votes

his e would count as a passive stack and grant an instant auto attack, as welll as being an instant gapcloser

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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his e would count as a passive stack and grant an instant auto attack, as welll as being an instant gapcloser

  1. doesn't that sound a bit busted to u even a little?
  2. This isn't addressing my post n any way shape or form.
omegaarab1 votes

u aske din what fucking way his e would make his passive smoother, and i told u, and it is balancable as thats what his q should have been, if not the instant gap closer atleast the garunteed aa, if someone walks way in the middle of ur melee q animation u dont get the aa, gl playing talone

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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u aske din what fucking way his e would make his passive smoother, and i told u, and it is balancable as thats what his q should have been, if not the instant gap closer atleast the garunteed aa, if someone walks way in the middle of ur melee q animation u dont get the aa, gl playing talone

...I think you might wanna read the post again, because that is almost the opposite of what i said. Also, i don't appreciate the needlessly rune slurs.

Im not being hostile so i dont see the reason for you to be. Next, you are again making a lot of flat assertions without any reasoning or justification.

omegaarab1 votes

wtf. i legit quoted u i wasnt cursing at u , i was qouting ur slur, but now i question ur mental state

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my issue with your entire post is you make a lot of vague and flat statements alike "he is clunky" and "his E would make his passive smoother".

Like, in what fucking way?

ChaddyFantome1 votes

okay is this just trolling now? because clearly your english comprehension isn't even gradeschool level (which if it isnt your first ;language is perfectly understandable) but regardless, your post is blatantly filled with shitposting.

Im putting into question whether you are even old enough to be playing this game.

omegaarab1 votes

how is it trolling? i replied to ur post wich u saud u never posted, and quoted to prove that you did< and that ii was erely quotiing u completely by the "slur" yes its my second language, my computer has some delayed keys and i wasnt aware there was a age limit to begin with

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