some words from an assassin main thats been playing assassins for a decent amount of time

omegaarab··21 votes·2,114 views

i started playing league for the first time in season 5 in the patch where winter wonder ori was releasred i think. if you think u used to be a noob, u wont believe the way i used to play, basically my first few games after bots what id do was play ashe, be a noob in lane till lvl 6 then id go into a bush and do nothing but stay there and try to kill steal snipe with my ult. everyone else got levels and farm and i dindt, and yet i wondered why i did no dmg. sfter i learned the basics i browsed throught the store for a main, and found akali instantly. i chose her not because of her kit her stats or anything i simply sae her portait and liked ninjas at the time. so i played a ninja. then for a long time i was on a spree of snowballing id just get my first kill, then go around the map oneshotting everyone 1v9inh eith my lead getting insane kdas every game, i was unbeatable i killed thier whole team one by one every game. after that i picked up talon, whos by main since lvl 25 i love him to death hes still my one trick now. what i used to do as talon was just stay in lane till 6 and roam everywhere. i didnt even pick a lane i just rtyped roamer in blind. as soon as i hit 6, i roamed around everwhere killing people and helping my team. those wer all unranked and pre 30 antics, im sorry i bored uw ith my league history but thee point is my latest and current play style is i just use my assassin of choice, oneshot the adc and wed always win cuz they have no chance of out damaging them if we have dps and they dont. thats how i win games thats how i always play, kill the adc with an asassin and then fight thier team and win

now im still a talon god if u check my op.gg w, but my issue as of now is i altough im good at talon hes the ONLY thing im good at. i need to learn new champs for situations talon isnt good, such as uh a shyvana/fiora/vayne/vlad/peel support comp or anything like that. this was never a problem befopre as if i got fed (i always do) i could just e into thier team use all my abilites and hydra and boom thier all dead.im not saying this is a good thing, i intend to learn brand for tank busting mid as a fall back and a tank jg for other situations. however i do think riuot went a tad overboard on the rework. duskblade is allowed to exisat becasue assassins NEED it for burst. talon and zed would have a much harder time assainating people without it. kayn and shaco basically have no chance of assassinating without it, they have to resort to tank dps other wise the thing is, why make assassins burst slower and harder to pull off? while other champs burst faster. here are a few examples annie ult oneshots faster than talon or zed ever will. ive gotten killed in 2 saas by vayne qcrits fast than the time it takes for talons w to even reach the intial range before the return delay and SHES A DAMN ADC u know what else kills people faster than asassins? viegar pressing r and killing u with one ability at 65 percent hp doing 17k dmg much effort and delays. now assassins burst is as fast as mages like ori and brand, but without the utility. might as well play a fighter fiver like vi or fiora who can still kill the adc but has cc utility and much more

41 Comments

XPtoken28 votes

Thing is people and Riot need to get through their head that the whole purpose for an assassin is to assassinate(clue's in the name assholes) so when you nerf the fuck out of every assassin because adc mains refuse to ward, stay with their team, and play safe then what's the point of having an assassin role in the game anyway??

Like we get outdamaged by nearly everyone that isn't a support(and even those are hard to kill with the amount of shield items and buffs Riot showers them with).

Tanks can just slap us around til we're dead, a mage can cc us then burst us from range faster than we ever could do to him, and an adc can auto us twice for a free kill, so what's the point of us existing in the game when Riot takes away our purpose to exist?

People complained about how there was no counterplay to assassins when wards, positioning, and shit like GA existed but tell me what the fuck is the counterplay to an adc bursting you down with 2 autos? or a mage blowing you up with 1 click of a button, tell me what the counterplay is to a tank that cc's you for an eternity then kills you faster than you could flash away? I hate how biased Riot is and wish they'd actually fix our role instead of us having to rely on item effects to deal(delayed) damage that's still weaker than anything an adc or mage can produce.

Penns22 votes

Rito needs to realize that their game is a strategy game, if you are farming bot alone as adc and an assassin gets behind you, you already got outplayed. Adcs shouldnt be able to "outplay" equally or even less fed assassins in a 1v1, thats what they have broken support items and exhaust for xd

Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votes

But honestly... until some point adc can't 1v1 an assassins unless they're overfed. And even in late, it depend how u take the fight : and as an assassin u decide how and when u take the fight

GelsominoKiller3 votes

The point is, ADCs should not even pretend to have the chance to take down an assassin in 1v1 (aside from those outplay-oriented picks such as Lucian and Vayne), just like assassins do not even consider engaging on a tank.

If the outcome of assassin vs ADC 1v1 is uncertain, what chances would the assassin have in a team fight environment where he must survive ambient damage, reach the backline somehow and utimately face the support+ADC duo, with the buttload of CC and shielding?

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

The point is, ADCs should not even pretend to have the chance to take down an assassin in 1v1 (aside from those outplay-oriented picks such as Lucian and Vayne), just like assassins do not even consider engaging on a tank.

i think its already the case, unless adc is overfed.

If the outcome of assassin vs ADC 1v1 is uncertain, what chances would the assassin have in a team fight environment where he must survive ambient damage, reach the backline somehow and utimately face the support+ADC duo, with the buttload of CC and shielding?

i agree... but isn't it already the case atm.... sadly

PrinceOfStorms2 votes

Overfed ADCs should not be able to 1v1 anyone that's not a tank or ADC.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

i don't agree... OVERfed. i didn't say just fed.

SEKAI4 votes

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Rito needs to realize that their game is a strategy game, if you are farming bot alone as adc and an assassin gets behind you, you already got outplayed. Adcs shouldnt be able to "outplay" equally or even less fed assassins in a 1v1, thats what they have broken support items and exhaust for xd

Riot, like many "muh skillz" players, should realise that "outplay" isn't a thing that only exists when 2 opposing players are within combat range from each other and are both pressing buttoms.

omegaarab3 votes

yes this, whats the point indeed mages do the samne, if not faster burst while bringing alot more utility, safe range and waveclear/aoe fighters like fiora/darius/xin become raidbosses that can anal 3 memebers of ur team when fed but assassins , wich are desighned for the purpose arent allowed to do that to one?adcs are hard enough to kill as they crit u to death faster than the time it takes for ur kit to work (thx riot) but now u have to deal w knights vow, locket, redmeption plus lulu e and ult good luck have fun

2Charmnot2Charm1 votes

The only ADC that should even be able to outplay assassins 1v1 is vayne.

PrinceOfStorms2 votes

Nah even vayne shouldn't be able to 1v1 anyone who isn't a tank.

Phelas2 votes

IMO she should be able to. Her whole kit is designed to be able to dogde shit and play with her opponents minds.

Saying should, because she doesn't have to. When she fucks up, she fucks up, when she doesn't she doesn't. Vayne should be able to put a fight up against anyone, she is designed to do so, but I agree, if the assassin plays with no flaws, she may die, otherwise, she shall fight him.

ModAcademy Kayn4 votes

People need to remember that the second part of the game is not the only part of the game. Laning exists, and a lot of assassins had extremely unfair kill times if they did their shit correctly. Now you may say "they did everything correctly, they should", there is not a lot of outplaying a Talon who teleports behind u, insta shanking you.

NineTailedMystic1 votes

or a mage blowing you up with 1 click of a button

lol

Craft Zeppelin17 votes

GOD...I can't read this wall text. It is like the berlin wall class of wall here we are talking.

SEKAI5 votes

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GOD...I can't read this wall text. It is like the berlin wall class of wall here we are talking.

Berlin wall? HA!

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Craft Zeppelin1 votes

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Berlin wall? HA!

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WHAT!??? The berlin's wall is shorter than Hadrian's wall!??????

SpookyNeedle1 votes

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GOD...I can't read this wall text. It is like the berlin wall class of wall here we are talking.

Someone needs to grammarly it.

Edge of Daybreak10 votes

I saw assassin main and he earned my respect so I read it all. I just wish riot would pay any attention to what it's like to be an assassin player instead of having these changes be mostly about being an adc playing against them and low elo complaints. Literally duskblade wouldnt exist if they just made the kits good but you cant even give fizz a one second cd buff on his Q that he maxes last without boards yelling that the entire balance team should be fired. That's not even hyperbole it's been posted twice in the past 2 weeks with massive amounts of upvotes.

omegaarab2 votes

yeah its tough times for us, having to be way more skilled than the enemy team to win and putting ourselves at a disaadvantage to have fun witht he chamnps we love, while we could just play somethig braindead like viegar or darius and win more often, easier

Rainfall3 votes

1.The thing is,if the adc dies the teamfight is over. 2. mid champions and adcs dont have that many diferences,if an assasin should intantly kill an adc without any couterplay what would stop him from doing that to the enemy mid? 3.why are so many people obsessed with AD assasins? the assasin role cosnists of ap assasins as well who are doing pretty well regardless of lethality changes. Note for OP:assasins have existed LONG before lethatlity,building item 3071 and item 3074 and item 3026

omegaarab1 votes

ap assassins tend to be alot more feast or famine and way worse then ad assassin when behind as well as less fun personally so i avoid them., im aware, i played in the golden days of regular arm en where every champ and his mom built youmuus

Sdars2 votes

The problem is with the way the game is set, either the assassin kills the carry in 0.5 seconds or he's useless. This leads to a very unfun kind of gameplay. Every class in the game needs to be toned down so the game isn't so feast or famine, there's more room for outplays and the game doesn't feel so unfair.

Rainfall3 votes

the concept of an assasin most people think is flawed,catching someone alone is possible in the early and midgame,but in the lategame most players group and stay with their teamates,most bad assasin player go in 1v5 to kill the enemy adc ofcourse they fail and then they make posts on the boards on how assasins suck.

Maligaro Spike2 votes

I always saw assassins as a mid game focused class, earlygame you build a lead and then snowball game to victory, if you get to lategame with assassins you're automatically screwed, ADC with huge shields facetanking you and 5k maokais permastuns

Maligaro Spike1 votes

fun considering post rework your burst needs 1,5-2 secs if not fed to kill an adc so you are forced to snowball extremely hard or have trist facetank for free

ˉˉˉˉˉˉ2 votes

Can we just nerf ALL in-game damage already? I miss when team fights included fun strategy and weren't decided by who could one shot the other first...

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omegaarab3 votes

yeah its too easy to deny him and he gets outscaled as well as outscaled

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

now im still a talon god if u check my op.gg w, but my issue as of now is i altough im good at talon hes the ONLY thing im good at.

U aren't.

kayn and shaco basically have no chance of assassinating without it, they have to resort to tank dps other wise the thing is, why make assassins burst slower and harder to pull off?

Its not true... at least for Shaco. He don't have much counterplay to begin, no gimmick as talon or any... Shaco players just need to use the good itemization. And with Talon even without the new duskblade OS ennemy was never an issue after fix.

With assassins u can't go in brainlessly like before... u need to plot. And this is what f*ck many.

Anyway if u need other pick Taliyah TwistedFate are good roamer too

omegaarab2 votes

i could never use tf or taliayh, i like to be able to 1v1 alot of champs, shaco either stat cheks assasisnates with crit back stabs or doesnt assassinate at all,

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Erm...I'd answer your questions, but I can't read this. It's rambling, and has no capital letters.

...Can someone make this so I can read it and help this poor man?

fééd l0rd1 votes

The only time I am able to kill champions like Fiora is when I get stupidly fed out of laning phase. That's almost impossible considering how hard it is to kill mages in lane as assassin.

Play zed versus a decent taliyah and report back. She will shove and shove, harass you and btw still has better roaming potential with her ult.

Zeds laning is garbage, talons laning is garbage, fizz laning is garbage. You get poked down and shoved in 24/7. if you manage to get close to the enemy you get exhausted, if you dare to shove yourself the enemy jungle will just cockblock you 24/7.

Assassins need better laning phases.

omegaarab1 votes

thier lanes arent bad, theyre just hard its a skill ting. VERY hard. youb have to have the perfect cmnditions and play it perfectly to bear champs like ori and brand before they shove u in while poking ur entire hp bar. however talon can kill tem lvl 2-4 and zed always has outplay potential if hes even. i dont know why they scale bad if thier lanes are bad tho

fééd l0rd1 votes

Zeds laning is insanely bad.. even best zed world ll stylish says so. He's more of a mid late game champ but still gets ourscaled by most mages.

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

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Zeds laning is insanely bad.. even best zed world ll stylish says so. He's more of a mid late game champ but still gets ourscaled by most mages.

Zed's laning is better than the most melee champions (there are champions that can't lane against ranged at all). If it wasn't, he would have been a jungler or toplaner. If you watch his presentation, they thought he could be a jungler, but they balanced him over the years as a midlaner.

Executioner1 votes

Here is what I want to add in. Since I love ADC. What gives the assassin a good time to come into a team fight? What makes a good hit man? Setting up the kill, and getting out without anyone knowing it was them. Leaving no traces of you at the scene of the crime. Usually you kill them some place they are away from public, or at night time where they feel safe, and are asleep. They dont just walk into the home, kick down the front door, stomp all the way up to them and take out a fucking rifle making all that noise and kill them.

Assassins wait for the tanks to begin the cc chain and then go into the fight. Another reason why assassins suck late game, is because of the great support. The all mighty ass saving support. They are like the police officer of the team against an assassin.

omegaarab1 votes

yeah i usually kill adc in the jg on thier way to grouping mid by hopping over a wall and shanking them, but usually the god forsaken lulu/zilean/ali is there to make me hate klufe always glued to the adc

zarxus12341 votes

Assassins are amazing in this game. The scariest games are the ones with assassins. Assassins carry the hardest by far.

omegaarab1 votes

thats the funniest joke i ever heard, ir just bronze and cant play against them u have any idea how hard they get screwed? the only times they ARE op u see them in lcs, thats a good indicator (diana,kharengar)

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