why does gragas get to have such brainless, reliable CC ?

Ben Sharpio·Sep 6, 2017·16 votes·1,190 views

This champion is honestly so ridiculous in design. He has such reliable LOW COOLDOWN CC it drives me nuts.

Not only that, but his engage potential is WAY too good. Low risk high reward pretty much sums up his entire kit. He is able to be played in virtually every lane that isn't ADC.

And to add to how bullshit his E is, you have to respect flash his bodyslam if you don't know if his flash is up. He can burn your flash by bluffing...

He just locks you down with his low CD spammable CC and it's just annoying af. There's no unreliability when youre playing him and its incredibly boring to play against.

Increase the CD of his E or do something about it being so INCREDIBLY EASY and efficient to use offensively and defensively.

24 Comments

Alex h8721Sep 6, 20174 votes

His E may be a bit "brainless" but his R definitely is not.

TwinkieProSep 7, 20172 votes

His R is probably the most skillful part of his kit. It's a better Lee R on a higher cooldown.

Mens Hair ClubSep 6, 20172 votes

for some reason the most mobile tanks have the easiest to use CC

get fucked Sion Ornn

Ben SharpioSep 6, 20172 votes

give sion gragas bodyslam and i will bust the fattest nut ever i promise

BobaFlautistSep 6, 20171 votes

Which ability would you trade it for?

Ben SharpioSep 6, 20171 votes

His E lol

MizayaSep 7, 20171 votes

The amount of CC he'd have... holy

InstaPoppySep 6, 20171 votes

Ornn has easy to use cc though.

An Undead bratSep 6, 20171 votes

Easy to outplay, it only takes you to stand away from walls and it does nothing, even Poppy still displaces you on click even though their CCs work similarly (not nick-hating, it's a pure coincidence xD )

InstaPoppySep 6, 20171 votes

Thats why you hit them with your Q first, it slows them long enough for you to jump into the pillar if you time it right.

An Undead bratSep 6, 20171 votes

That Q is so slow you can just run in front of it xD

TwinkieProSep 7, 20171 votes

pillar is slow, but the E aoe is actually massive. Place it just a short distance from a wall and they have a long walk to go around

koshkyraSep 6, 20172 votes

Gragas he builds full tank? Now he kills you in ~1.5 rotations with bullshit cc while being unkillable himself

He builds full ap? Now he oneshots you at level 4.

OnlyGragasOnlyGGSep 6, 20171 votes

His E and Q too have in fact quite long cooldowns in the early game, making it easy to harass him with ranged champs.

Wet DrymanSep 6, 20171 votes

You're complaining about something that will be changed anyway in preseason. Not that I disagree, I want Riot to get their shit together and remove his hard CC on E and replace it with slow, remove slow from Q and replace it with utility other than CC (decrease magic resist or something) so he won't be one of the unhealthiest designs in the roster he wasn't intended to be part of BUT they already announced making his CC on E less effective (by reducing AoE) and potentially removing his E Flash interaction.

ganggoinkSep 6, 20171 votes

Also all his spells are aoe, high damage and he has mobility. As a tank. Let that sink in, but yea win rate means everything :)

scribbles782Sep 6, 20171 votes

I think it is pretty hard to hit a fight-winning Gragas ult, and they just fixed his E hitbox.

SeenanSep 6, 20171 votes

Nerf flash-E...Suddenly, his win goes down 5%.

DaNinadSep 6, 20171 votes

This got upvoted lol

Nut on my ButtSep 6, 20171 votes

When are they going to remove that stupid E flash combo? Buff him elsewhere if you have to, but it's such an oppressive interaction when combined with the rest of his kit.

Armored YokaiSep 6, 20171 votes

Because Gargus is so fat his abilities should cost health instead of mana or his base movespeed should be 300

inplaneSep 7, 20171 votes

At least they fixed Body Slam's ridiculous hitbox. Not sure how "fixed" it is though, so don't hold me on that. Also, its not hard to E R half of the enemy team into a bad position. Just buffer R while you're still in E's dash and it's unavoidable if the enemy is hit by E's stun.