jax is nuts

Khristophoros·Mar 29, 2018·40 votes·3,486 views

I just picked jax, fed my lane 2 kills because of some jg ganks but I wasn't watching the map so it could have been avoided. Also our bot lane fed. Then I got rageblade and murdered anyone I ran into.

I like it.

71 Comments

BlåbæretMar 29, 201810 votes

He needs nerfs. Basically out-duelling everyone with a cinderhulk lmao.

KhristophorosMar 29, 201813 votes

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He needs nerfs. Basically out-duelling everyone with a cinderhulk lmao.

He's always won duels. That is not the issue. He just power spikes too early and hard right now.

Thin AirMar 29, 20181 votes

Yeah it's pretty much this.

He was struggling in top, and he moved to jungle but now he's crazy at top just because of conqueror. I would almost say he's too strong but he still has weaknesses. He's definitely a top tier pick right now though, and probably only getting higher the more people use him.

Niggles91Mar 30, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Light Air,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mWhnxYti,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-03-29T22:12:01.570+0000) He's definitely a Top tier pick right now

BlåbæretApr 1, 20181 votes

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He's always won duels.

With tank items?

Baron BarianMar 29, 20188 votes

Holy shit! Someone who got ganked and admitted fault for it!

I'm sorry, but I'm just really used to people complaining about junglers not getting nerfed. Honoring you for being tiltproof. (and no, none of this is sarcasm)

KhristophorosMar 29, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name=Baron Barian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mWhnxYti,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-03-29T10:13:42.318+0000)

Holy shit! Someone who got ganked and admitted fault for it!

I'm sorry, but I'm just really used to people complaining about junglers not getting nerfed.

Every gank is avoidable imo.

For some reason that game I was spacing out and not really paying attention and I died to some ganks I really shouldn't have died to. But I was amazed that after getting rageblade I was destroying. Granted, I managed to get a good amount of farm despite the feeding.

FlameadoDeKoorvoMar 29, 20183 votes

That isn't true but ok...

Eve invisible. TF ultimate. Jungler hide in the lane bushes. TP on your back when you are too deep...

You can't just stay in the middle point of the lane and play safe if you wanna smash your enemy...

KhristophorosMar 29, 20183 votes

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That isn't true but ok...

Eve invisible. TF ultimate. Jungler hide in the lane bushes. TP on your back when you are too deep...

You can't just stay in the middle point of the lane and play safe if you wanna smash your enemy...

You can avoid ganks by not taking risks. You evaluate the risk of aggression and sometimes you get it wrong. So the gank could have been avoided if you had assessed the risk more accurately.

FlameadoDeKoorvoMar 29, 20181 votes

That is has stupid as make someone guilty of suffer and airplane accident.

DoozkuMar 29, 20184 votes

No, it's as stupid as your incomprehensible english.

ShaolinToiletMar 29, 20182 votes

Pretty easy to understand the point he's saying. You're just being condescending cause it makes you feel good about yourself.

KhristophorosMar 29, 20183 votes

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That is has stupid as make someone guilty of suffer and airplane accident.

The risk of dying in a plane accident is extremely low https://curiosity.com/topics/how-do-people-survive-plane-crashes-o53cN3Xy/

The risk of getting ganked when you went aggressive at the wrong time is extremely high.

Hexs FortuneMar 29, 20189 votes

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Every gank is avoidable imo.

For some reason that game I was spacing out and not really paying attention and I died to some ganks I really shouldn't have died to. But I was amazed that after getting rageblade I was destroying. Granted, I managed to get a good amount of farm despite the feeding.

If you think every gank is avoidable you haven't played enough botlane

Or you are a Tristana main

[sg-miss-fortune]

sir d wreckMar 30, 20185 votes

Every gank is avoidable if you don't leave the nexus!

UnboundHadesMar 30, 20181 votes

what if they have a ryze

SEKAIMar 29, 20186 votes

Maybe it's rageblade that's nuts.

KhristophorosMar 29, 201842 votes

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Maybe it's rageblade that's nuts.

conqueror is just as nuts as rageblade given the right champ

and the right champ is The Champ

kargishMar 29, 20183 votes

Aatrox Jax MasterYi Kayle Tryndamere Benefited pretty good this patch

ΟO7Mar 30, 20182 votes

Yi main tuning in.

Conqueror isn't good on him since you either kill your target(s) within 4 seconds or get killed. Other ones are good though.

kargishMar 30, 20182 votes

I refered to item 3124 for MasterYi this patch though

YumaS2AstralMar 30, 20181 votes

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kargishMar 30, 20182 votes

I mean I am still not saying conquerer on Yi is good...

Fear the KaynMar 29, 20186 votes

Yea Jax is insane, but don't worry Aatrox is actually good now so they'll nerf him into the ground first before even considering nerfing Jax.

'Tis the Riot way

FlameadoDeKoorvoMar 29, 20182 votes

They did a terrible balance work...

They want to "bruisers eat tanks" and they do it by a rune? a rune who all champs can use? so what happens with champs which actually doesn't have problems with tanks?? = unbalanced

jax, renekton, olaf, fiora, ww... and even ADCs start to using because they just have one limitation, they can't refresh the rune but who cares?

ThefrostyvikingMar 29, 20182 votes

Actually, that limitation is pretty damn harsh..... '

Cant really think of any marksman that gets much use of it.

And the rune is mainly meant to let fighters deal with tanks in lane, its kinda suboptimal for everything else as far as i know.

SpongebobIsLifeMar 29, 20182 votes

draven is the only ad that can.

Automated RivenMar 29, 20181 votes

Mf can use it semi well. Her ultimate doing 20% true damage is good. But it's pretty niche.

ThefrostyvikingMar 29, 20182 votes

Its super unreliable tho, it has a 4 seconds boot time, needs an auto to start it and to top things off, MF needs to ulti from a safe spot.

its not just niche, its beyond extreme.

Automated RivenMar 29, 20181 votes

My friend is an mf main and he says it at least viable. Pretty niche but not completely unreasonable.

ThefrostyvikingMar 30, 20181 votes

I also happen to play MF, a lot x)

And that kinda extremely situational build would not work, i am almost completely certain.

Automated RivenMar 30, 20181 votes

Well being completely honest. I never play mf. So I don't know from experience. So your more then welcome to fact check me. :)

MelledoneusMar 29, 20183 votes

Nah, better nerf Shen.

He's "oppressive in lane" again.

EDIT: It's a joke, don't take me seriously here.

AirKingNeoMar 29, 20184 votes

Except he was and needed those nerfs.

MelledoneusMar 29, 20184 votes

To be fair he has the lowest base stats, does the least damage, and has the least reliability out of any other top laner.

Just because he ults to your precious bot lane doesn't mean he's not struggling to be a tank.

AirKingNeoMar 29, 20186 votes

He has a fucking shield on a cooldown for a passive to compensate for his low base defenses.

Al his base damage is in his Q, which he maxes first, giving him some of the highest damage early for top lane.

Least reliable? His damage is in auto attacks and his taunt is a wide dash which can only be dodged if they use another dash themselves.

He isn't struggling. He's doing perfectly fine for a global ultimate champion.

MelledoneusMar 29, 20181 votes

Passive shield scales off of a low percent of bonus HP and has a base of 50 HP with a 10 second cooldown. Not exactly making up for it, if you do the math.

You also clearly haven't played Shen (probably because he isn't an AD carry), since with the way his Q works he, in a way, has negative range. The damage is only good if he gets the empowered Q, and it is so damn easy to avoid that scenario because he only has one real combo and it involves you being within 600 units of him moving in a straight line. His E might have been widened to match his hitbox a bit better, but the proc falls off more than it should at the end. The bugs with his taunt have also not been fixed yet, so there's also the occasional scenario where your E doesn't hit a champion when you clearly pass right through them.

I dunno, when Heimerdinger top is doing much better in terms of winrate, I wouldn't say it's perfectly fine.

AirKingNeoMar 29, 20182 votes

That's an effective 50 HP heal every 10 seconds. I'd call that pretty good.

You also clearly haven't played Shen (probably because he isn't an AD carry)

I'm a top lane player lol.

JoeMGMar 30, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fear the Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mWhnxYti,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-03-29T10:15:08.404+0000)

Yea Jax is insane, but don't worry is actually good now so they'll nerf him into the ground first before even considering nerfing Jax.

'Tis the Riot way

Dude, my team got bamboozled by AAron when conqueror first came out. It was a sight to see.

PurejoyceMar 29, 20184 votes

Rageblade or not, Jax was pretty much always nuts in a solo game environment, which makes hashinshin look that much more delusional.

AirKingNeoMar 29, 20184 votes

Boards are really taking this 1 game experience and saying it's factual.

Meanwhile, Fiora top lane has over double the pickrate and higher winrate than Jax, but still unnerfed. Fun times.

MelledoneusMar 29, 20187 votes

We've pretty much accepted the fact that Fiora is bullshit and will never be balanced.

MerevelMar 29, 20181 votes

Oh, what is she, Malzahar's sister?

ThefrostyvikingMar 29, 20182 votes

Malz did get nerfed though, a lot.

30-40% ap of his ulti and cooldown nerf and base damage, repeted nerfs to passive and W, nerfs to Q 15% ratio and base damage nerf.

He got hit enough times to drop outa the god tier meta, Fiora meanwhile never really left except the time her ulti was overnerfed.....which was overbuffed just after if i recall right.

Ionian VulpixMar 29, 20184 votes

No, he is eggplant.

SilentBomberMar 29, 20183 votes

I want to point out,that when new runes came live Jax was struggling a lot versus tanks and ranged champions.For the last patches he has been having a 49% win rate.

Nobody spoke about Jax till Conqueror's rune and new rageblade came out.And now you say that Jax is nuts?When Fervor of battle existed Jax wasn't nuts right?

I would agree that 6 stacks in the new rageblade are perfect for Jax but that doesn't make him a crazy top laner as a champion.He is a late game champion with high reward his dueling potential.If you leave aside the Guinsoo Jax is the same champion as he has always been.

Yes,i am a main Jax with 700k+ mastery points.So i can tell as much.

xSightlessxMar 29, 20182 votes

Thats pretty normal now. Whats nuts is a jax with a rapid fire canon.

Z3SleeperMar 29, 20182 votes

Yeah Jax is a bit over the top. This was before conqueror. Now's he's far over the top.

He's one of the people that really benefited from runes overall and is still benefiting with every new change (Bone Plating, Chrysalis, Conqueror).

Tuition FeeMar 30, 20182 votes

I think a huge issue is that in lower tiers, people try and 1v1 him early, even if they pick a champion like Evelynn. Jax is practically built to 1v1, and people just don't understand that. Jax picks up maybe two kills from your jungler and grab some cs from your jungle, gets another four kills from lanes, and he already has a buttload of gold and damage. Once you let Jax snowball, unless the rest of his team is horrible, it's usually gg, considering how fast games are decided this season.