What they did with kog

WookieJesuz·Feb 24, 2016·118 votes·6,109 views

http://imgur.com/fEd70QR

Pardon my skills with paint. This is basically what they did with kog.

77 Comments

xl Kirito lxFeb 24, 201641 votes

This is a work of art sir.

Poptart EvelynnFeb 25, 201622 votes

R - Waste of Mana

Lmfao to me it's a "You'll lose attacks if you press R so why press R".

CubedJusticeFeb 25, 20162 votes

It only seems even slightly useful if you happen to get into a level 6-7 fight, or are super delayed in finishing your guinsoo's.

Penta PenguinFeb 25, 20165 votes

i don't know hmmmm let's see

R massively out-ranges your auto-attacks and can be used to kill people that escape your auto range

W is not always up (unless there's mid-late game CDR build for kog'maw) so you can weave an R or two between regular autos if you're in range

R is also good for safely farming since it last-hits easily with the execute damage

read the god damn ability, it's meant to finish people off now, use on under 50% at the very most

DealthFeb 26, 20162 votes

I don't see anything wrong with what you said lol. I guess it just makes sense and people who use boards hate things that make sense.

LadyRenlyFeb 25, 201616 votes

hey man, R is how you get fed. w to scatter the weak, then R to collect your winnings

Noam BraumskyFeb 25, 201628 votes

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hey man, W is how you get fed. w to scatter the weak, then W to collect your winnings

ftfy

TyaldanFeb 25, 20162 votes

what i find funny is ever since his rework kog has been this way, but now that he saw some lcs play suddenly everyones complaining about kogs w and hes getting nerfed, where as before they were bitching that he had no power and is completely useless. Idk, i hope the nerf doesnt hit him too hard. full on hit 5 attacks a second kog is super fun.

101100111000Feb 26, 20165 votes

Because he used to have his passive AS bonus on his Q, meaning you had to leave Q to get the AS bonus. When they moved it to W, there was no trade-off between maxing W and Q, since now W has all the AS bonus on top of multiplying that.

Late game Kog is the same before and after this change, but laning phase Kog is ridiculously better now that he doesn't have to choose between leveling Q for a permanent AS buff, or W for better temporary range for trades.

FantasySniperFeb 26, 20165 votes

No one called him OP until last patch when his AS was moved to his [W]. Then it made his early game super easy to win with because of his high base attack speed.

LankPantsFeb 25, 201618 votes

w to scatter the weak

Are you playing Kogmaw or just getting very confused as Syndra?

AstôlfoFeb 25, 201612 votes

The Q is the useless 1-point skill. The E does a fair bit of damage as well as hold them down with a large slow, helping you to kill them with your W.

IronicGentlemanFeb 25, 201639 votes

Last I checked most Kog players don't even put a point in Q until level 13.

W is obviously fantastically broken right now.

E is necessary and useful.

R is what you use if they somehow escape W's ridiculous range.

QuephaFeb 25, 201678 votes

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The Q is the useless 1-point skill.

That's one point too many

arcinexFeb 25, 20165 votes

I'm actually bored of new AD Kog'Maw. The 55% damage to non-minions feels really shitty and not for the reason you think. It's not because I feel like I'm doing less damage to champions, although it is true, it feels like the 55% damage to non-minions is actually a lie. Otherwise why the f*ck does it feel like I am doing exactly that to minions as well?

Also, the doubled attack speed feels so damn clunky. There's this slightest delay to each auto attack that makes me feel like I'm being tricked into thinking my attack speed is doubled. Jinx's passive auto attacks with Q feels much smoother and faster tbh.

I'd rather have Kog'Maw's old W when it just gave attack range and some bonus magic damage like it did before. Actually just give me back pre-rework Kog'Maw.

Some of these changes man... makes you question if Riot goes through with it thinking it's for the better of the game or just for the sake of change.

TotalisFeb 25, 20165 votes

b-but, they gave him an identity! Who doesn't love identities!

Jack Jack AttackFeb 25, 20163 votes

i miss ap kog...[zombie-nunu-tears]

RocketRelmFeb 25, 20161 votes

You forgot his Q. Hold on let me take 10 minutes into MS Paint to draw it in for you, I'm pretty sure I found it.

RocketRelmFeb 25, 20165 votes

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It'd be unfair for Kogmaw to have 2 Qs, right?

forrestoFeb 25, 20161 votes

what if there was a champion who instead of having a bunch of different abilities had 4 of the same ability 0.0 that could be kindve cool.

At Least I WardFeb 25, 20162 votes

Sion has 4 identical abilities in his passive form after he dies. you press either q,w,e,or r to gain a speed boost

lolptwoFeb 25, 20161 votes

This is how low elos view most champs, reality is, Q is incredibly important for making tanks squishy , E needs to be saved and used at the right time and R is really good at last hitting champs. You do you though low elos, you do you.

WadeWilson1337Feb 25, 201620 votes

Youre a moron. The highest winrate Kogmaws, and every single adc main using it for freelo in masters+, dont touch Q until level 13.

lolptwoFeb 25, 20161 votes

Lol, you're a clown, talk to me when you get on my level.

Billy VoHagenFeb 25, 201619 votes

Yeah. QT and Gosu and all the others must be clowns too.

lolptwoFeb 25, 20162 votes

Actually Gosu and QT say way worse shit about low elos than me, have you heard these people talk? QT openly says.."man this champ is really good unless you are a Low elo retard" all the time, he constantly looks down on low elos and even admits it, he even says, "i'm arrogant" and calls low elos pathetic trash all the time and kids throw their money at him constantly, Gosu too talks trash about low elos, clearly you guys haven't even watched these people play off streams. QT no need he says it on stream

WadeWilson1337Feb 25, 201612 votes

The difference is QT and Gosu know what they are doing and have credibility...like not putting a q onto kogmaw until level 13.

AnidanFeb 25, 20162 votes

So, question: After the tank's have armor and MR, do they start using their Q after they have their skill points in it? Because if not, that's a waste on their part since it still shreds resistances.

Billy VoHagenFeb 25, 20168 votes

Damn, I never knew qt was a hundred percent serious all the time. I couldn't tell from how he plays with his cats on stream and makes constant dick jokes.

DengedenFeb 25, 20161 votes

The old AD Kog was the most intricate ADC I've seen in LoL. You HAD to play him perfectly or you would fail spectacularly. Now he's a binary champion with blatant strengths and weaknesses. Sigh (At least AP Kog isn't that much of a spambot anymore)

AnidanFeb 25, 20168 votes

Most intricate? I'd contend that with Draven . He doesn't even get Koggy's range and his primary damage source has to be repeatedly caught in the heat of battle or else he loses a hefty chunk of his damage, unlike Kog'maw who didn't have that kind of problem.

DengedenFeb 25, 20164 votes

Draven is a snowbally lane bully with a crapload of damage. Kog'maw had to use his kit to its full extent no matter the circumstances.

MhihnjFeb 25, 20162 votes

IF you want to be a good Draven, You need to perfectly juggle(catch and throw)at least 2(3 for better damage output)axes every teamfight. Also enemies see where your Q's land so you need to manage all your axes positions which is difficult considering how sensitive they are.

DengedenFeb 25, 20161 votes

(I really could have just said that the old Kog had a high skill floor, couldn't I?)

If you want to be a good anything, you need to be aware of how to use your kit well and how an enemy might abuse you using it well. Draven can control the general direction of his axes and with a lot of AS, it's difficult to react to the indicator where it willl land. EDIT: I don't mean Draven is easy, just that his strengths are more defined than the old Koggy's.

MhihnjFeb 26, 20161 votes

I liked the old kog better

DengedenFeb 26, 20161 votes

So did I but I still farmed downvotes :<

MhihnjFeb 26, 20161 votes

haters gonna hate

RendarkanFeb 25, 20161 votes

AP Kog had more hilarity pre rework. Namely due to the massive range and damage his ult could inflict with its old scaling.

Trying to fight him head on meant getting hit with a Q and an E while getting shot with a AA buffer and running meant mortars.

DengedenFeb 25, 20161 votes

Ye, it was fun, just felt a bit unfair.

RendarkanFeb 25, 20162 votes

That's just your little voice trying to tell you otherwise. Where as I, I just have no remorse. I enjoy making my opponents lane phase as miserable as possible.

Teemo

JacctheInsomniacFeb 25, 20161 votes

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forrestoFeb 25, 20161 votes

I would just like to take a moment to mourn my old mains, AP tristana, and AP sion :'(

gotta love how riot killed both of my old mains.

JacctheInsomniacFeb 25, 20161 votes

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forrestoFeb 27, 20161 votes

I do agree about the sion rework, just mad cause he was one of my mains before ;)

as for trist I'd say leblanc or zed are more annoying than she was, and she always fell off hard late game because of how hard it was to jump into the enemy team without dying.

JacctheInsomniacFeb 27, 20161 votes

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forrestoFeb 28, 20161 votes

Idk I can definitely see how it could be annoying. I think it fit the meta at the time where you could reliably expect to scale into late game where her usefulness flatlined hard. I'm pretty sure if she still existed now, she would be a problem because most games are win by mid-game and there would be a lot more interesting tools at her disposal to help her wreck faces than there were back in season 2-3.

Shac NorrisFeb 26, 20161 votes

Last night i was running away from a Kog Maw and he kept ulting on me, missing every shot.

Then he hit me. 800 damage, dead and burried.

MizayaFeb 26, 20161 votes

R to finish off the stragglers.

DealthFeb 26, 20161 votes

I level my q second and use as a farm/poke tool in lane and an initiator to fights with the new kog'maw and I am hovering a 74% win rate with a 14 game sample size.. It's not a bad ability.

SouL1essFeb 26, 20161 votes

The best change they can do to R is to make it work on an ammo system instead the current cost doubling bullshit, considering that they don't want you to use it as poke but instead as a finisher.

3/4/5 charges, 40/55/70 mana each shot, charges restore 20/20/20 seconds each. Reduced poke presence and actually allows you to cast 5 shots before killing your own mana bar.