Is vayne op again

WookieJesuz·Dec 8, 2015·37 votes·3,685 views

idk but it seems like in last few days either I've been getting gosu smurfs or something but vayne's are doing extremely well.

op plz nerf?

also how do i beat vayne

93 Comments

The Bearded BardDec 8, 201511 votes

You abuse her bad early-

Just kidding, she has a support. There's nothing you can do.

Eternal KageDec 8, 20156 votes

Shiv with cannon is just to strong right now. every time i built shiv, cannon, and i.e my first auto would practically one shot squishy's if it crit. but later in game i have 100 crit chance. Once it gets nerfed i'm sure things well settle down.

MiTsuO AkaiDec 8, 20156 votes

yes vayne is extremely op which is why Quinn should not be nerfed!

Hello I am BirdDec 8, 20151 votes

Uh no. As a quinn main, her q damage needs to be changed. Maaaybe her passive damage.

The rest of her kit is fine atm

BoulderoxDec 8, 20156 votes

12% max hp damage at rank 5 w.... you TELL ME

That Murphys LawDec 8, 20154 votes

The anti tank item, last whisper, got nerfed (justifiably as it was cost effective even against glass cannons) which made tanks stronger, and by that factor buffed the premier anti tank adc.

Also they buffed silver bolts late game.

YumaS2AstralDec 8, 20154 votes

[{quoted}](name=That Murphys Law,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kJvJxql8,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2015-12-08T05:36:30.202+0000)

The anti tank item, last whisper, got nerfed (justifiably as it was cost effective even against glass cannons) which made tanks stronger, and by that factor buffed the premier anti tank adc.

Also they buffed silver bolts late game.

Also both item 3094 and item 3087 can be used thogether for massive damage output in one attack

As well as massive attack speed and crit chance. She doesn't really miss the early AD that much due to her ult and Silver Bolts.

KONO RUBICK DADec 8, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=That Murphys Law,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kJvJxql8,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2015-12-08T05:36:30.202+0000)

The anti tank item, last whisper, got nerfed (justifiably as it was cost effective even against glass cannons) which made tanks stronger, and by that factor buffed the premier anti tank adc.

Also they buffed silver bolts late game.

you forgot to tell that attack speed was buffed, and kog's W had an AD ratio to not make him rushing 5.0 attack speed, (unlike vayne ofc)

TheOvermindDec 8, 20154 votes

lol when did vayne stop being op... She was always top tier adc, you just don't see her on lcs that much due to jinx being far superior in team fights and in solo q you. R not guaranteed peel or anything so u just pick vayne who is the trade of all jacks of all adcs. I don't know why she was allows to remain on top that long , she is considered to be hard to play and requires mechanical skills but and above 50% win rate isn't alarming at all ... Meanwhile as soon as malzahr spikes just a lilttle bit out of his desired by riot wirate riot. Nerfs him.... Vayne is a mix of kogmaw and Tristana really having the damage of a hypercarry like kogmaw while being extremely slippery and very hard to catch like Tristan's or even better due to stealth .... Not to mention her point and click aZir wall on 20 s cd that can also stun .... Problem right now is vayne is utterly broken with the new energized items ... Shiv and canon still not getting nerfed though :) we all know why :) cuZ most popular champion in game is t to be messed around with :) while who gives a fuck about malzahr swain and Anivia :)

AnidanDec 8, 20152 votes

Your post sounds like it suffered from a lot of circlejerking and tin-foil hat wearing.

I have to admit, I got a pretty good laugh out of "point-and-click azir wall," though. I didn't know we had to blatantly lie when talking about champions now.

TheOvermindDec 9, 20151 votes

While yes I admit that I took it a bit overboard with the condemn / aZir wall analogy , my points are still valid , vayne offers the best source and amount of damage in the game (true damage every 3rd hit) while being extremely safe slippery , and also unescapable . No other adc is even remotely close to vayne when it comes to mobility. And we can all say that her early game is not that bad either considering she is a late game carry

AnidanDec 10, 20151 votes

If we're being objective here, her true damage steroid is strong, but it is not the best auto-attack steroid in the game. Draven's Spinning Axe is a better steroid if it can be consistently maintained. Quinn's passive paired with her W passive is a better steroid against squishy champions. Ekko's auto-attack steroid is waaay better against squishy champions. I'd argue that Jinx's Pow-Pow attack speed steroid is stronger than Vayne's true damage. Diana's AA steroid is better than Vayne's against squishy targets. There also aren't many people that can escape a Diana if she wants to kill you, either, while her shield makes her deceptively durable even when building full-on AP.

Vayne's true damage steroid is only arguably the best against tanks, and again, Jinx, Tristana and probably Kog'maw could compete pretty well for 'best damage steroid against tanks.' Vayne is not the best source of high consistent damage, but she is a very reliable source of it. Her reliable steroid (being that it's passive) is what makes her desirable, whereas Jinx can lose her stacks over time, Draven can miss his axe through his own actions or an enemies, Quinn may just not get to pull off multiple passive procs. Though, Ekko and Diana are fairly reliable, their main falling in that is that they're melee, that's all - otherwise their steroids would be far stronger than Vayne's against anything but the heaviest of tanks.

darkmatchwaldoDec 8, 20153 votes

Play Lucian

MealReadytoEatDec 8, 201510 votes

{quoted}

Play

Vayne has a higher win rate against Lucian than her average win rate. Infact, the only two ADC's that put her at less than a 50% win rate are Quinn and MF, and both are getting nerfed next patch. (http://champion.gg/champion/Vayne)

I Miss CannonDec 8, 20154 votes

That doesn't mean Lucian doesn't rape Vayne in lane, Lucian just becomes shit if you don't close the game before Vayne got 2 items while Quinn and especially MF are broken.

MealReadytoEatDec 8, 20156 votes

Urgot rapes Vayne in lane too. Doesn't mean he's any good at winning games against her.

I Miss CannonDec 8, 20154 votes

He's not good at winning games against anything.

MealReadytoEatDec 8, 20155 votes

The point was that just because a pick wins lanes it doesn't mean it's a good counterpick.

ZLbSwAR23IDec 8, 20157 votes

Please do not use rape in that context. It just isn't acceptable.

KieferrDec 8, 201513 votes

Welcome to the internet, where people don't GIVE A FUCK.

I Miss CannonDec 8, 20152 votes

ZLbSwAR23IDec 8, 20153 votes

You are using coarse language on a board which is frequented by children. This is not acceptable. What's worse is making rape jokes on said board.

TimewinderDec 9, 20151 votes

I feel like the only children on the boards are the people whining about champions they don't like.

Hello I am BirdDec 8, 20151 votes

Downvoted because why?

ZLbSwAR23IDec 8, 20152 votes

Because it's terribly offensive.

Hello I am BirdDec 8, 20151 votes

I was wondering why your post was being downvoted

Shield VillainDec 9, 20151 votes

PC shit really gets under people's nerves these days.

For CarthageDec 9, 20152 votes

Everything gets under everybody's skin every day.

ZLbSwAR23IDec 9, 20152 votes

I see, misunderstood.

Lady HammerlockDec 8, 20156 votes

{quoted}

Play

Draven does it all

Chaotic ReksDec 8, 20159 votes

but she can smell black magics...

EcchiOtakuTMDec 8, 20152 votes

You....you're so wrong for this. [zombie-brand-clap] WP [slayer-pantheon-popcorn] [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

TheProAndrewDec 8, 20153 votes

shes strong because of item 3087 + item 3094 stacking

Just Blame JennyDec 8, 20152 votes

Armor is so-so against her, since so much of her damage is true damage. item 3110 item 3082 help for their slows, though. item 3075 can be good too, as she tends to prioritize attack speed over damage per hit. Also get item 2043 to counter her ult.

She's short-ranged, so you'll want to try to poke her down. When she goes in, be sure to focus her with hard CC. Bear in mind that she can dodge with her vault, which is on a short cooldown. You may have to wait until just after she's used it for some other purpose in order to nail her.

IcyPepperDec 8, 20151 votes

Armor is so-so late, but it's actually not that bad early!

If a Vayne maxes Q first (which they should), they don't start getting massive true damage until after level 9. Some armor early game can really ruin a Vayne's day and delay her late-game further!

rtbf209142555Dec 8, 20151 votes

You don't max Q on vayne you max W just a heads up

Kuroi86Dec 8, 20152 votes

Vayne is just abusing item interactions, once that's fixed she'll get ignored again. Til people find another way to abuse her.

BluePolarizerDec 8, 20154 votes

like Vayne's 53% win rate mid season 5... oh wait lol.

The only reason she fell off was because Jinx was superior in teamfights s5 and she couldn't get anywhere near fights or risk getting deleted by Viktor Veigar .

This season also proves that Vayne is not a late game champion whose weak early game. She's strong early game with an invincible late game.

Kuroi86Dec 8, 20151 votes

oh wait lol.

Because win rate alone is proof of ones status.

The only reason she fell off

Was when high poke champs were in play, in which case Vayne was far too high a risk pick.

She's strong early game with an invincible late game.

Sigh Her early game is so-so, her late game is dependent upon her positioning. In a duel a late game Vayne is to be feared. In a team fight you'd better be Gosu or you're likely to die within the early seconds from AoE.

GuiltyGeckoDec 8, 20152 votes

According to lolking Vayne is currently the most popular champion in the game, with an overall win rate of 50%. I'm not sure if Vayne is strong or weak at the moment, but I believe we are seeing her played so much because she is just fun to play. Like Lee Sin, she is mobile and mobility is fun. It makes you feel like you can outplay your opponent and what not.

Her trading is stronger than people give it credit for though. Most good vaynes I play w/ and against make sure they almost always finish off their silver bolt proc. You have to commit to the proc to get the damage. That, or they use tumble to trade effectively.

Honestly, I just wish her ult had a higher cooldown early game. It feels like there is never a window where you can really fight her.

MealReadytoEatDec 8, 20152 votes

Vayne's win rate is much higher in higher tier ranked play, with an overall win rate over 53% in plat+ ranked this patch according to champion.gg. That puts her as the 3rd highest win rate ADC, while also being the most played. Lee Sin and Thresh, two other real fun champions that see a ton of play, are both below 50% win rates.

Vayne interacts REAL strongly with AS and/or Crit itemization thanks to her W and the flat AD on her ult. While every other ADCs needs to build AD before AS or Crit really amplifies their damage, Vayne can abuse stronge crit or AS items right off the bat. Right now, this means RF and SS can be rushed on her before any AD source, which makes her outperform basically every other ADC. The RF and SS combo is getting nerfed, which should bring her a bit more down to earth.

Supreme Senpai69Dec 9, 20151 votes

Oh I was jokin since everyone seems to hate Lee Sin on this board.

I mean I hate him too but.

Yeh.

TransgressorDec 8, 20152 votes

How to beat Vayne:

Alistar Amumu DrMundo Malphite Skarner Kassadin TahmKench Shyvana Shaco Shen Rengar Fizz Nautilus Nunu Khazix Kalista Akali Zed Talon Draven Ezreal Tristana

Freelo.

IAMS4T4NDec 8, 20154 votes

{quoted}

How to beat Vayne:

Freelo.

why so many assassins? have you seen a good vayne against rengar and zed?

MealReadytoEatDec 8, 20154 votes

He named all the champions typically considered good against ADC's, without remembering Vayne's got the best tools to deal with them out of all the ADC's.

TransgressorDec 8, 20152 votes

Like what? Didn't know Vayne has a magic "survive the burst of a lategame Rengar" button.

Didn't know she had a magic "kill the 70% damage reduction full tank support Alistar" button.

I like hating on OP champions as much as the next guy, but please don't diminish the circumstances to fit your agenda. Goes to show that elo is not always an indicator of skill and game knowledge.

Feel free to circlejerk on, I won't bother with this shit.

MealReadytoEatDec 8, 20154 votes

Vayne's the one of two ADC's with a knockback, which makes her much more likely to survive a rengar ult than most, and she's the only ADC that can still seriously hurt Alistar during his ult, thanks to true damage not being reduced. With her self-peel and %hp true damage Vayne has the best tools to deal anti-adc's out of all the ADC's.

In comparison to ADC's as a whole, she suffers the most against ADC's and Mages that outrange her, and supports that can bully her hard early game. The nerfs to the SS and RF combo should make her much more manageable, as not only was it OP, Vayne was the only ADC who could abuse it effectively without any buying any AD first, thanks to the flat AD on her ult, and her W.

KONO RUBICK DADec 8, 20151 votes

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Like what? Didn't know Vayne has a magic "survive the burst of a lategame Rengar" button.

Didn't know she had a magic "kill the 70% damage reduction full tank support Alistar" button.

I like hating on OP champions as much as the next guy, but please don't diminish the circumstances to fit your agenda. Goes to show that elo is not always an indicator of skill and game knowledge.

Feel free to circlejerk on, I won't bother with this shit.

what are you talking about? Rengar is unbalanced right now, bringing him as an argument should make you delete the game

% damage reduction is shit against vayne everyone know it,

Hello I am BirdDec 8, 20151 votes