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Champions that ACTUALLY need a rework

iLBGAMing··68 votes·8,357 views

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Skarner - No one play's him anymore, his kit is beyond outdated and some of his abilities and scaling's on those abilities that are weak and weird. He is a mix between a tank that deals both physical and magic damage, there is no real way of building him or building against him since he more than 2 types of scalings which suggests that his kit just doesn't work properly. He's basically a dead champion that Riot forgot about at this current state, yet this champion has so much potential, looking at his lore.

DrMundo - People only pick him for one thing Mundo's insane health regen, even for a champion like Mundo it shouldn't be that way. Every champion is designed in a way to make use of their abilities something Mundo lacks, unless in early game. But in late game all Mundo is, is this health regeneration tank who only spams his Q at enemies, this itself says that he needs a W and E rework.

Aatrox - There's nothing to say when it comes to reworking Aatrox I will leave this one to Aatrox mains to explain if anyone asks why.

206 Comments

Malicious Metal48 votes

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Skarner - No one play's him anymore

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Rude Name14 votes

MALICIOUS SUPPORTS MA BOI <3

iLBGAMing4 votes

Yes I still think people have some form of mastery for him but when I said that no one plays him is that do you see atleast skarner get played once in atleast 10 games. People just play what's meta now a days.

GigglesO2 votes

Thats because juggernaut itemization sucks in comparison to other itemization. Noone wants to play a "bad" champion unless they are competitive, and riot refuses to do anything but nerf tank itemization, which is directly tied to juggernaut/diver itemization.

XIII Vanitas10 votes

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cries in scorpion

ps: why does the preview of my screenshot get so much cropped? ç_ç

Morgan le Fey1 votes

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ps: why does the preview of my screenshot get so much cropped? ç_ç

It's a Boards thing. There's a really easy way to fix it.

I don't know how, though.

DuskDaUmbreon4 votes

Typically you put either "?noredirect" or "/img" after it.

General Esdeath 7 votes

You're a morde main, you already play weird shit

rtbf2256182414 votes

Who cares, the point of the OP stands. I remember seeing a Skarner 2 months ago in 1 game.

AmazingBeaver24 votes

Chogath Full Tank 1 shot carry champs , literal cancer .

AmetDeCrypt14 votes

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Chogath Full Tank 1 shot carry champs , literal cancer .

Kassadin full tank one shot tank champs , literal cancer .

Morgan le Fey6 votes

Veigar Full Tank 1 shot support champs , literal cancer .

OHminus10 votes

Ivern Full Tank 1 shot Red Buff, literal cancer .

iLBGAMing7 votes

Yeah, but riot could just nerf him in a way that his ult wouldn't scale with item actives such as item 3193

Wînter Fox24 votes

Wait...are you trying to say Urgot, Yorick, and Sion didn't need a rework?

[sg-miss-fortune]

Bardcookie23 votes

Do people forget that Aatrox is ON the rework list? Hes getting a full GU after Swain. [sg-lux-2]

Rito Staff6 votes

I don't think Aatrox needs the visual update at ALL. I love the way he looks, and it doesn't even look clunky

nGio6 votes

Justicar could use some love. He looks like a soccer shoe.

Chembaron Yamada2 votes

Good thing that he doesn't get a visual update then. He just gets a GU (Gameplay Update), not a VGU (Visual and Gameplay Update).

They are just changing his skills, his visuals will stay the same.

BoilTheOil2 votes

hes getting a GAMEPLAY UPDATE not a VISUAL GAMEPLAY UPDATE

Bardcookie2 votes

They aren't giving him a VGU, just a pure Gameplay update. Which means ALL of his abilities are gonna be changed. So he might have some new animations to go along with them, but overall just gameplay.

undesirable team18 votes

Volibear Tryndamere Udyr Nocturne

Juggernaut62814 votes

I don't think Nocturne needs a rework. Changes? Yes. But he has a pretty unique kit and character, and really just needs some counterplay changes coinciding with some actual survivability outside of his spell shield.

XIII Vanitas3 votes

He DOES need a rework, because he's lacking both in the gameplay and art departments.

TimX24968B3 votes

VU, yes. GU, look what they did to rengar. that's what will happen to nocturne.

MorganFreemanBot1 votes

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VU, yes. GU, look what they did to rengar. that's what will happen to nocturne.

Disturbing, but probably true.

Nocturne is horrifyingly strong right now in solo que. Definitely sleeper, and I expect he may get nerfs next season if balance doesn't dramatically change. He's a better assassin than.. Pretty much every other assassin, except perhaps Zed.

TimX24968B1 votes

his low popularity keeps him from them

MorganFreemanBot4 votes

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his low popularity keeps him from them

I know.

Current Nocturne does what assassins did prior to the rework of their class: He comes out of the black and kills a squishy in about 0.5 seconds, and he does it with a spell shield and hard CC (though they don't live for it to activate late game).

I definitely expect him to eat gain some traction, and consequently eat heavy nerfs / finally get that rework, after the pre-season.

RainbowIcee10 votes

He needs thematic updates, make him scary again. All these spell shields,heals and gap closers in the game make nocturne less of a predator. They should make it that the person he ults get's the shadow trail debuff so noc can get increased movement speed.

Melledoneus8 votes

See, I would say that Shen needs a rework, but we all saw what happened the first time.

Malfectious6 votes

DrMundo Mundo fun...people play Mundo for fun

Teridax686 votes

I agree with all three.

Aatrox I'm less familiar with, but I'd say one of his biggest issues is that he's so generic and thematically unfulfilling. At this point most people agree his ult should be a team bonus that works off of a bloodthirst theme, rather than just yet another steroid, and beyond that he could also use some updated basic abilities, as his E is boring and his W is not very healthy, with the whole package of manaless sustain and poke in lane making him a pain to deal with if he ever at all gets strong.

Mundo's a ball of stats. He's unique for having tons of regen, and that should stay, but it needs to stay in a manner that's properly interactive. Beyond that, he should probably trade off some of his current near-invulnerability for actual offensive power, as his biggest issue is that he's incentivized to build nothing but tank stats, and then deals so little damage of his own that nobody really cares about him. I feel he should still have steroids on his kit, but those steroids need to be made legitimately interesting, and should carry some form of counterplay, perhaps by associating negative effects to positive ones that can be exploited by his opponents.

Skarner's Juggernaut Update work spruced him up a bit, but kept his Q and W, both of which are tremendously boring and not very interactive effects, and put a lot of his power into this very gimmicky innate. As a result, he either runs people over or just can't function, depending on how he gets kited. His E and ult are mostly fine, but he needs major updates to his 3 other abilities so that he actually gets options from them, and so that enemies can genuinely interact with him.

DunkinNoobs5 votes

Mundo becomes a much more interesting champion once you stop building him full tank every game. You have the strongest AD steroid in the game; maybe take advantage of that somehow item 3046.

Need Gold 4 Tent5 votes

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Mundo becomes a much more interesting champion once you stop building him full tank every game. You have the strongest AD steroid in the game; maybe take advantage of that somehow item 3046.

I KNEW THERE WAS SOME LOGIC BEHIND IT! I saw this poor guy get flamed for being a troll by building a PD, but he was still going tank. He transformed from 0/4 to 13/7 by the end of the game (we lost because of the feeder: me). Somehow still his fault (^^"

It makes sense, he makes full use of all the features of the item. But some people don't use their brains and start going crazy the second they come across something odd.

DunkinNoobs2 votes

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I KNEW THERE WAS SOME LOGIC BEHIND IT! I saw this poor guy get flamed for being a troll by building a PD, but he was still going tank. He transformed from 0/4 to 13/7 by the end of the game (we lost because of the feeder: me). Somehow still his fault (^^"

It makes sense, he makes full use of all the features of the item. But some people don't use their brains and start going crazy the second they come across something odd.

People act like it's Mundo's job to heal and be hard to kill. First and foremost, Mundo's job is to dive and kill squishy carries; His healing/tankiness and speed are merely his tools for doing so. Full tank Mundo's damage falls off way too hard to do his job past 20 minutes and all you're left with is a meat shield that lacks the CC necessary to make the enemy care about him.

item 3046 is monstrous item on Mundo and I'm amazed so few people have figured it out. 45% AS and 30% crit to go with all the AD from your E gives you an insane amount of damage and both passives are very good on Mundo as well given his job is to chase down 1 target and beat them to death. It's on a very cheap item too; PD only costs 2600 gold so fitting it into your build is no trouble at all. Just build it second item after your Sunfire/Visage/Cinderhulk.

Gildarzt5 votes

Shaco

Troy2426211 votes

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Shaco

Leave my main the f*ck alone, he isn't bothering anyone and we still love him.

Go rework Rengar or Ryze for the 33rd time.

Gildarzt3 votes

it's my main too since 5 years ago i think he needs changes

Power Mac4 votes

Mondo doesn't need a rework, unless you want a totally different champion. He's THE tank, and works very well against a lot of champions, but it's not always an expectable victory. The fact that a champ is really strong and you don't like doesn't qualify them for a rework. Tthe same could be said of Teemo "just spam your Q and base attacks" or Blitzcrank "just grab": every champion is "just do something really well".

KoKoboto3 votes

I agree with Skarner needing a rework although he is pretty unique. The "crystal spire" mechanic on his passive feels really lame and dumb.

Knoyle33 votes

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Camille Syndra Elise Irelia Zilean Pantheon Volibear Warwick Urgot

need reworks

Camille Elise Zilean Warwick Urgot .......

......

Warwick Urgot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyEThSM4JnI&feature=youtu.be&t=19s

KlydeFrog3 votes

Bro I was a skarner main he was perfect in my opinion 0 issues then they did this trash spire rework as people will call it. It made him weaker clear times slower, lost his split push ability , made him weaker in 1v1 , made him a ult bot, made his ganks more or less the same hit e and basic to stun or hit 3 things that's why it's the same, gave him a useless passive because here is why his passive was how his old q used to be and if you put hydra on him you literally stun a whole team. I can keep going so all new skarner has is some ad scaling.....big whoop

Bârd3 votes

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Skarner does not need a rework, he needs a revert.

The version of Skarner that existed just before the juggernaut patch was perfect.

The Deckowner3 votes

Rito: nah we gotta get the 38th Ryse rework done first.

Yrzen2 votes

Skarner he more than 2 types of scalings which suggests that his kit just doesn&#039;t work properly.

I strongly disagree with this mentality. That implies that champions should only have one way to be played. I play a lot of AP Ezreal, AP Varus and top lane Lulu, and would be very disappointed if any of those were reworked away.

DrMundo - People only pick him for one thing Mundo&#039;s insane health regen, even for a champion like Mundo it shouldn&#039;t be that way. Every champion is designed in a way to make use of their abilities something Mundo lacks, unless in early game. But in late game all Mundo is, is this health regeneration tank who only spams his Q at enemies, this itself says that he needs a W and E rework.

I believe he's supposed to be the mr equivalent of Rammus, mainly because of his synergy with Spirit Visage. Which is to say, few things that do magic damage can actually deal with Mundo, granted that Mundo builds accordingly.

Not that either of them don't seem deserving of improvements, but I'd honestly rather see the champions with super obvious issues fixed like TaliyahSonaKalista since it would presumably take barely any time at all.

XxxLumberJackxxX2 votes

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http://imageshack.com/a/img924/7915/LgRejD.png

Skarner - No one play&#039;s him anymore, his kit is beyond outdated and some of his abilities and scaling&#039;s on those abilities that are weak and weird. He is a mix between a tank that deals both physical and magic damage, there is no real way of building him or building against him since he more than 2 types of scalings which suggests that his kit just doesn&#039;t work properly. He&#039;s basically a dead champion that Riot forgot about at this current state, yet this champion has so much potential, looking at his lore.

DrMundo - People only pick him for one thing Mundo&#039;s insane health regen, even for a champion like Mundo it shouldn&#039;t be that way. Every champion is designed in a way to make use of their abilities something Mundo lacks, unless in early game. But in late game all Mundo is, is this health regeneration tank who only spams his Q at enemies, this itself says that he needs a W and E rework.

Aatrox - There&#039;s nothing to say when it comes to reworking Aatrox I will leave this one to Aatrox mains to explain if anyone asks why.

Udyr and Voli

Rito Staff1 votes

"better rework ryze"

iLBGAMing2 votes

######Kappa

Taric the Gay1 votes

What about these champions?

Evelynn Nidalee Nunu Pantheon Mordekaiser Kayle Renekton Rammus Shyvana TwistedFate Udyr

Namely Nunu, Mordekaiser, Twisted Fate, Shyvana and Nidalee

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TheCharmingCharm2 votes

The only ones i agree with for a full rework would be nunu and morde. eve is already getting a full rework soon. Nidalee definitely doesn't need a rework, and im not sure tf does either. as for the rest of them, maybe just small reworks that just change a few things on a few abilities.

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