Can mages get an item like this?

iLBGAMing··29 votes·2,865 views

An item that gives bonus movement speed that works like item 3044 except when you use abilities.

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Before any of you begin to say how this would make certain champions strong such as Cassiopeia the item can be adjusted similarly to how item 3116 is for example, item 3116 is adjusted for every situation in terms of how much an area of enemies or a single target is slowed and with this item idea it could work the similar way, where consistant use of abilities wouldn't give the same amount of movement speed or something like that.

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It's just that certain champions have such low base movement speed and just an overall kit with no mobility that it's a joke to be useful...

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Take ivern for example who has one of the lowest base movement speed in the game Ivern just sitting at around 325.

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Meanwhile certain champions who are too mobile Yasuo Vayne Lucian get to be even more mobile thanks to items that give % bonus movement speed item 3078 item 3046 item 3085 item 3094 item 3087 or just item 3044.

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I get that certain champions have the design of an un-mobile kit but for god's sake c'mon riot you have to admit that the itemazation for AD champions is seriously too good for every situation.

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You could atleast add one item that would help someone like Vladimir (330) or Velkoz (340) who have get away from a Katarina (340) Yasuo (345) who have around 430-450 movement speed or even higher with items or in Katarina case with her W giving her 90% movement speed at max rank for 1.25 second.

68 Comments

Titanium7010 votes

It wouldn't really fix anything tbh. Sure a neat idea but so are item 3030 item 3152.

As Long as Mages are FORCED into item 3165+item 3135+item 3020 every single game there is no real space for creative items left. Current Itemizations has huge issues and Riot is already working on another rework. In best case they treat them like ADCs - Giving some Enchantments to Void and Morello just like Zeal and last whispers. That's still quite boring, not really creative and hides the problem more than it fixes it - but it would be at least be something...

Theorex1 votes

I like where you are going with this :D

Its a nice spin on how I was thinking about changing up AP itemization.

My steps were. Nerf Morello. Its just too strong of an item and we have too many AP champions balanced around that item and Rabadons.

I was going to say Nerf Morello's to 75 or 80 AP and leave the rest of its stats in check. That way we have a Reason to pick up RoA now. RoA is 100 AP 500 HP and 400 Mana. The same mana on Morello more HP with no CDR or GW. But 20 More AP. That would solve some of the Mages vs Mages issues.

But I do like where you took this holy concept.

So the items people seem to be bitching about on the boards are Torment, Morello's, and Void Staff (weirdly enough).

So what if we were to power focus the items.

Lets break each item down to two items.

You have Morello 1: AP + Mana Sustain + Lower Base Mana (Higher AP and Mana Sustain)

Morello 2: AP + CDR + Base Mana. This leaves the two items for Spammy Champions mid but makes them pick between having Sustainable Mana and CDR.

You have Void 1: AP + % M Pen (Lower AP)

Void 2: AP + Flat M Pen (Higher AP Probably by about 20ish to make up cost difference and effectiveness)

You have Torment 1: AP + % Damage w/ AP scaling.

Torment 2: AP + GW on spell hit. (Higher AP)

JavelinJoe8 votes

This would just add to movement creep. The idea is not bad, but it is unhealthy for the current league scene. Plus there are items that just give movement speed which are very popular for many AP champions to get. item 3100 and item 3285. The reason why champions like Ivern have low movement speed is because somewhere in their kit it is made up for, with CC and/or gap closer. Ivern has a slow on his shield, his Q moves him and allies towards target and Daisy has knock-ups. Cass has an AOE ground and a movement speed increase on her Q, and a slow/petrify for an ult. So any more additional movement speed buffs (excluding already existing items and runes) for her to use would cause an issue. Also, many AP champions who are mainly single target, already have good mobility like LB.

You also forget some champions are specifically designed to be more slower because they are "artillery mages". Velkoz Xerath and Lux are all good examples of this. If they could poke from massive ranges and still be able to out-run any champion who got close to them, now that would be a serious issue because they also have hard CC for non ult abilities.

Handy Sandy 4 votes

item 3100 is only viable on ZiggsTwistedFate unless you're extremely fed early, or you're an ap assassin. Nobody gets it for the MS.

YumaS2Astral1 votes

item 3100 is also a very situtional purchase for Ahri and if you are like me and like to play Lulu mid then item 3100 is a strong item for her if you plan to build her more damage oriented.

NineTailedMystic1 votes

Situational for Ahri? Head over to r/AhriMains and they'll rave about it on her.

Theorex1 votes

I think people forgot about Kass. Kass is a champion too you know.

AlienPrimate2 votes

I get runic echos on Taric jungle specifically for the movement speed.

Morgan le Fey2 votes

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item 3100 is only viable on ZiggsTwistedFate unless you're extremely fed early, or you're an ap assassin. Nobody gets it for the MS.

EzrealSona, plus ViktorLux if Ziggs is our threshold for who it's supposedly "viable" on. It's also a mandatory buy on Zoe, though ofc. she's not out yet on the main servers. Zoe and Sona don't get it just for the movespeed, but movespeed is very valuable to both of them and definitely contributes. And if we're saying nobody gets it at least partly from the movespeed, there's lots of assassins and fighters that beg to differ.

Handy Sandy 1 votes

lux does not buy lichbane lol if she's close enough to proc it she's playing wrong

Morgan le Fey1 votes

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lux does not buy lichbane lol if she's close enough to proc it she's playing wrong

She can, but that's not the point. The point is that it's far better on her than on Ziggs. I have no idea why you'd buy it on Ziggs. But yes, it requires you to be scary-close on her and Ziggs, and isn't great on Viktor either just because of what else he needs to build.

Ralanr1 votes

Better tower pushing?

Morgan le Fey1 votes

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Better tower pushing?

There's such a thing as overkill. xD

Better to focus on doing damage, since Ziggs clears towers extremely quickly now. Only late-game Nasus, Jax, or Xayah/Rakan can really compare. If you really want big tower take that badly, just go bot with a Sona support.

Moonfall Saber1 votes

Lux with lichbane ardent censor and ludens is fucking deadly lol

Morgan le Fey1 votes

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Lux with lichbane ardent censor and ludens is fucking deadly lol

Eeh, I'd pass on AC. I don't play her support, though, so I have to pick up Morello's first or second. The biggest issue with LB is what Sandsexual said: Lux has no business being super-close to most opponents. If she's in a situation where she can be, it's a totally different story, because it goes stupendously with her passive.

YumaS2Astral1 votes

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She can, but that's not the point. The point is that it's far better on her than on Ziggs. I have no idea why you'd buy it on Ziggs. But yes, it requires you to be scary-close on her and Ziggs, and isn't great on Viktor either just because of what else he needs to build.

Lich Bane could allow Ziggs to take towers faster.

Morgan le Fey1 votes

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Lich Bane could allow Ziggs to take towers faster.

Yes, but... why? By that same logic, Ziggs should take Resolve just for Demolish, or Veigar should take... well, Lich Bane just for extra burst + tower clear. It works, sure, but it's needlessly dangerous to use and only useful in niche situations. There's better options imo.

Lit Corn3 votes

you forgot Veigar , with the amount of ap he gets it gives him ridiculous pushing power and even some bonus dmges on champs if needed .

Handy Sandy 2 votes

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you forgot Veigar , with the amount of ap he gets it gives him ridiculous pushing power and even some bonus dmges on champs if needed .

when you get that much ap, just build tank. A lichbane is not worth because later in that game, if your team gets control of a tower, it's going down because they're so weak. If you're splitpushing with him, then stop trolling.

The Yetii Rider3 votes

I'm pretty sure some versions of Viktor get this, because it has a good synergy with his Q.

Gragas gets it occasionally.

Ezreal always builds it when he goes AP.

Sona gets it as well.

Moonfall Saber1 votes

I buy it on every made champion because it's better than morellinomicom I'm dueling situations. It works well on lux Diana LeBlanc ahri and other champions

Alüe1 votes

Can i grab your opinion on an Xerath, Lux or Velkoz? i find playing the situation to the best to my ability still isn't enough. Evelynn has no warning as to when she will appear other than the heart and even if i'm running and land the cc she can catch me.

JavelinJoe1 votes

If you only have issues with Eve, then just ban her. Also these champions are meant to be back liners who hit from far away. So maybe play a bit further back. Also, not every champion is made to be able to outrun an Eve. Most ranged champions are made slow to allow for melee champions to actually have a chance to catch them. If you could simply outrun any Melee champion, no one would play them.

iLBGAMing2 votes

Yes I know that these items also give % movement speed item 3285 item 3100 but these items are quite terrible for some mages.

Theorex1 votes

I really do not understand why people are downvoting you here.

Lich Bane and Ludens aren't for the champions that need the movespeed the most.

If anything since people are bringing up points of contention.

We could add. Whenever you hit a spell on an ENEMY champion Within 600 Units of your Champion you gain a movespeed bonus. Would that make people happy?

iLBGAMing1 votes

"Whenever you hit a spell on an ENEMY champion Within 600 Units of your Champion you gain a movespeed bonus. Would that make people happy?"

That's what I was suggesting with this item idea in the first place.

JavelinJoe1 votes

item 3152 is another option for when you have no gap closer, need another one, or need to escape by just a small bit.

EcchiOtakuTM3 votes

Basically frost queen claim's item line quest as it's own item. :O Think Black market brawlers also featured an item like it.

4th3t0s3 votes

It's reasons like this why item 3078 should have lost the 5% MS after they removed item 3086 from the formula.

Thryale1 votes

wait... what? what does triforce use now? why doesn't it require zeal anymore?

Mhihnj1 votes

its now made from stinger, sheen and phage. They replaced Zeal with stinger

Thryale1 votes

ew, that's not the 'trinity' I know or care about :(

4th3t0s1 votes

It happened around the same time item 3057 lost the ap it used to give.

Thryale1 votes

wait, sheen doesn't give AP anymore? geez, I've been outta the loop for too long :(

Theorex1 votes

That is a long time actually.

Theorex1 votes

Don't feel bad, I see myself clicking on Zeal when I play trundle to buy TriForce all the time.

Partybringer2 votes

doesnt item 3092 do this?

YuGiHo1 votes

thats exactly what it does. this guy must not play support often.

iLBGAMing2 votes

How often would you see a mage in midlane buy this support item just for 3 time triggered movement speed bonus when you hit enemies with spells?

Kaladin Davar1 votes

There is a masters vlad player who buys it, and so do I on my main

Theorex1 votes

Do you know why the Vlad Player is picking up that item?

It actually makes sense to me.

Its because HE NEEDS IT for his combos. With Phase Rush being trash he needs that little bit of extra movespeed in his kit.

That Item isn't going to be the saving grace of mid lane. Look at what happened last time we used that item in mid. They nerfed it to where Mage Supports didn't want to be bot anymore.

Champions like Ryze and Cass who also used Stormraiders wouldn't want to get it first item. Since they are already commiting to a long term item purchase (Tear > Arch) Getting anything that isn't core will slow them down too much.

Kaladin Davar1 votes

No, that is not why. He has been building it for months.

Theorex1 votes

That's some cheese shit. Either he knows that he is going into a match up where he can't get punished or he is just being a headass.

Kaladin Davar1 votes

He builds it every single game and he is masters. Sorry but your opinion is wrong.

Theorex1 votes

Regardless, one masters player out of the 600 in there. Doesn't mean its suddenly a first pick mid lane item.

Kaladin Davar1 votes

Never said it was, not once have I said that any champ other than vlad should buy it mid.

Theorex1 votes

Okay, then we agree. Vlad can get away with it :)

NineTailedMystic2 votes

No, have you seen people bitch about Ahri's Q MS? This'll just make mini-Ahris.

Theorex2 votes

If people are bitching about Ahri's Qs then they probably have other problems.

How have they not bitched about Yasuo E's? Maybe Rakan's E's and W's?

Also the primary difference between Ahri's Q and Having this item would be.

1: Starts from level 1+ 2: Would only be active when you land a spell on an ENEMY champion. Requires X gold to get. Which would fall after X core items. Such as Morello or RoA.
So they still wouldn't have the mobility right off the bat. Meaning that the laning phase would still be Meh.

You aren't actually thinking about this in terms of When the item would fall into the game. How the item would impact the rest of the game.

its not going to be a first buy item. RoA and Morello will completely shit on it.

MangelinaJolie2 votes

Luden’s.

Frost Queen.

Runic Echoes.

Lich Bane.

Ardent Censer.

New runes such as Relentless Hunter and Phase Rush.

Don’t say that these are bad for some mages. Phage is bad for some AD champions too.

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