Fizz main that does not like the w change on pbe!

Gladiore67·Oct 22, 2016·4 votes·1,059 views

I main fizz obviously as the post says and fizzes rework is suppose to make him have delayed burst which the way they did that was to make you apply your seastone trident dot (Which hits like a wet noodle btw) and then wait 2 seconds activate seastone trident and aa them which is one auto attack. Now before even talking about how lategame you would get blown up by an adc aa'ing you before the 2 seconds this change just feels bad...Alot of fizz mains absoutly hate the rework and so i really hope you change his w. Besides not being able to assassinate someone lategame you removed his only form of consistent damage which was auto attacking the enemy with your w up until you're combo was up again. Besides whether its good or not it just seems to FEEL bad and i think the change is in a bad direction.

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Commit SudokuOct 22, 20164 votes

assassins arent suppose to have consistent damage but you also fail to realize fizz's new W actually helps his early game a lot to the fact he can actually cs early

Gladiore67Oct 22, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Commit Sudoku,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mLnheAfy,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-10-22T17:36:29.723+0000)

assassins arent suppose to have consistent damage but you also fail to realize fizz's new W actually helps his early game a lot to the fact he can actually cs early

The only way the new w helps you farm is due to it being a auto attack reset. I've never had a problem farming on fizz it was always generally easy with the ap damage you got from your autos when w was activated. What would help his early is if they could find way for him not to be contested with an auto attack every cs he went in to get... Edit : Also consistent damage was what set fizz apart from other assassins being able to engage and haveing consistent damage is kinda what he does gameplay wise besides his e thats different from most other assassins.

Commit SudokuOct 22, 20162 votes

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The only way the new w helps you farm is due to it being a auto attack reset. I've never had a problem farming on fizz it was always generally easy with the ap damage you got from your autos when w was activated. What would help his early is if they could find way for him not to be contested with an auto attack every cs he went in to get... Edit : Also consistent damage was what set fizz apart from other assassins being able to engage and haveing consistent damage is kinda what he does gameplay wise besides his e thats different from most other assassins.

having consistent damage is what made him strong as a tank champion which riot is moving away from so they are leaving his ability to engage and burst.

they are also trying to delay burst mechanics to add more counter play to assassins that is why there is the 2 second delay on when you are suppose to use seastone trident

Gladiore67Oct 22, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Commit Sudoku,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mLnheAfy,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2016-10-22T17:42:31.350+0000)

having consistent damage is what made him strong as a tank champion which riot is moving away from so they are leaving his ability to engage and burst.

they are also trying to delay burst mechanics to add more counter play to assassins that is why there is the 2 second delay on when you are suppose to use seastone trident

But that still doesn't really justify them removeing a major part of his kit which fizz mains loved. And to be honest thats pretty much gutting fizz in a way...Leblanc can go in on an adc still and use w to escape...Talon has his invisibility and e to escape. Rengar can still prolly instaburst his target zed has his shadows to return to...But fizz has well...his e on a 18 second cooldown rank 1. I don't get how you are suppose to survive as fizz after you go in and apply the dot even IF IF you happen to kill the adc what then? You're just gonna die to the rest of the team. You have no way to get out you have no way to provide more damage after that your melee your squishy all of your abilites can be dodged...it just does not sound like fizz is even viable that way. Fizz has to be in a perfect situation everytime to kill anyone and that just can't always happen

Commit SudokuOct 22, 20162 votes

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But that still doesn't really justify them removeing a major part of his kit which fizz mains loved. And to be honest thats pretty much gutting fizz in a way...Leblanc can go in on an adc still and use w to escape...Talon has his invisibility and e to escape. Rengar can still prolly instaburst his target zed has his shadows to return to...But fizz has well...his e on a 18 second cooldown rank 1. I don't get how you are suppose to survive as fizz after you go in and apply the dot even IF IF you happen to kill the adc what then? You're just gonna die to the rest of the team. You have no way to get out you have no way to provide more damage after that your melee your squishy all of your abilites can be dodged...it just does not sound like fizz is even viable that way. Fizz has to be in a perfect situation everytime to kill anyone and that just can't always happen

maybe you should be more open to change i don't like zed changes over the years but he is my favorite champion but i dont complain about it and ask for reverts i just adapt to my new situation, you aren't going to like everything riot does to your champ that is just a fact so why put yourself through this ideology of if they just kept this one thing it will be ok. Its not going to be ok league changes every 2 weeks and eventually something is going to come along that you arent going to like. Just adapt to your new sitation you will be better off for it and yah sure sometimes your champion will be weak and you might consider it unplayable (which I dont think this fizz will be at all) but atleast you arent a galio main where your champion has never been relevant for 4 years. Your time will come eventually (how I'm starting to feel about Renekton hasn't been meta since season 3). Don't talk about how it isnt justifiable that you take a mechanic that everyone loves you think Poppy mains wanted a full rework and have the ultimate that made them basically invincible taken away? It happens to everyone you have to learn to live with it (atleast for a while).

Gladiore67Oct 22, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Commit Sudoku,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mLnheAfy,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-22T17:58:32.105+0000)

maybe you should be more open to change i don't like zed changes over the years but he is my favorite champion but i dont complain about it and ask for reverts i just adapt to my new situation, you aren't going to like everything riot does to your champ that is just a fact so why put yourself through this ideology of if they just kept this one thing it will be ok. Its not going to be ok league changes every 2 weeks and eventually something is going to come along that you arent going to like. Just adapt to your new sitation you will be better off for it and yah sure sometimes your champion will be weak and you might consider it unplayable (which I dont think this fizz will be at all) but atleast you arent a galio main where your champion has never been relevant for 4 years. Your time will come eventually (how I'm starting to feel about Renekton hasn't been meta since season 3). Don't talk about how it isnt justifiable that you take a mechanic that everyone loves you think Poppy mains wanted a full rework and have the ultimate that made them basically invincible taken away? It happens to everyone you have to learn to live with it (atleast for a while).

Here lemme just link you this... https://www.reddit.com/r/fizzmains/comments/58f351/pbe_fizz_damage_numbers/

Handy Sandy Oct 22, 20162 votes

Yea he's still fine though.

Gladiore67Oct 22, 20162 votes

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Yea he's still fine though.

It doesn't matter if its fine or not most of the fizz mains do not like the removal of his consistent damage

Handy Sandy Oct 22, 20162 votes

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It doesn't matter if its fine or not most of the fizz mains do not like the removal of his consistent damage

who are these fizz mains that are upset? There are 0 posts on here complaining about it.

Gladiore67Oct 22, 20162 votes

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who are these fizz mains that are upset? There are 0 posts on here complaining about it.

Check the fizz main subreddit

PennsOct 22, 20162 votes

Idk, I didnt like it at first either but I think it might be pretty cool. Rito is also willing to buff/change him, not sure what they think about him after the buffs yesterday tho.

Gladiore67Oct 22, 20161 votes

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Idk, I didnt like it at first either but I think it might be pretty cool. Rito is also willing to buff/change him, not sure what they think about him after the buffs yesterday tho.

My question is you normally aa the enemy when you wq then you e then you aa some more and you normally have time for 4-5 aa's in a fight...What are you suppose to do during that time? Auto attack them run around while they kill you then press w and auto them again? It just sounds so bad

PennsOct 22, 20162 votes

Well I cant play him without a pbe account but I guess you Q in, auto/E to dodge while waiting for the empowered W and then proc it. Not sure how good his early game is gonna be tho since you cant WQ to proc thunderlords anymore, for whatever reason, and then E out if you have to.

Gladiore67Oct 22, 20161 votes

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Well I cant play him without a pbe account but I guess you Q in, auto/E to dodge while waiting for the empowered W and then proc it. Not sure how good his early game is gonna be tho since you cant WQ to proc thunderlords anymore, for whatever reason, and then E out if you have to.

The thing is even if you do that if you think about it you lost the execute on the dot AND you just lost 4 or so empowered auto attacks so you just lost half of fizzes damage...Pretty much all of fizzes damage was his seastone trident and his ult everytime a fizz kills you if you check damage recap seastone trident is at the top of the list.

PennsOct 22, 20161 votes

I mean, mid- late game he oneshots you if he hits ult anyway unless youre building tanky so the only thing that really matters there is the on hit dmg. Now, hitting his ult applies the dot so its easy to get the empowered W, which is stronger than 3-4 hits with his current W.

But yeah, having his dot do something again would be kind of cool. I dont really understand why the %dmg got removed completely while the duration got increased by 33% **and ** the ap scaling got reduced by 15%.

DryditchOct 22, 20162 votes

"I don't like that I can't half health an enemy laner with W-auto anymore."

"I don't like that I can't kill my enemy at lv 2 with ignite-W-Q anymore."

Are you seriously complaining that Riot brought one of the most toxic elements of Fizz' kit under control? I mean seriously, AP Damage that also scales with %missing-health and gets stronger because of it on every tick? Without taking cleanse and playing deep under tower for the cooldown duration of that cleanse, you're basically boned in lane against a decent fizz.

Maybe I'm just a bronze idiot who needs to git gud, but even I know that providing access to that kind of power on a passive of another ability is bullshit.

Gladiore67Oct 22, 20161 votes

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"I don't like that I can't half health an enemy laner with W-auto anymore."

"I don't like that I can't kill my enemy at lv 2 with ignite-W-Q anymore."

Are you seriously complaining that Riot brought one of the most toxic elements of Fizz' kit under control? I mean seriously, AP Damage that also scales with %missing-health and gets stronger because of it on every tick? Without taking cleanse and playing deep under tower for the cooldown duration of that cleanse, you're basically boned in lane against a decent fizz.

Maybe I'm just a bronze idiot who needs to git gud, but even I know that providing access to that kind of power on a passive of another ability is bullshit.

Fizz has alot of kill pressure in lane right now if you don't play levels 1-3 correctly...All you have to do when against fizz is auto attack him everytime he goes in to cs and you will chunk him out of lane its to the point to where the fizz main fatefalls on twitch in masters say hes not even viable in high elo anymore.