There are too many strong counters in this game

xJLx MCHammer·May 23, 2017·2 votes·400 views

Counters are healthy on a strategic viewpoint.

Hard counters are just bad design.

There are some match ups like those with Fiora that personally feel are so skewered toward her that

Most TANKS have to build armor and HP. Tanks tend to do very little damage but usually have high CC. As we progress, tanks have more easily telegraphed CC.

Fiora is designed to eat champions like these with ease. Her abilities hard counter majority of the tanks. With items like Death Dance, it makes it impossible for a tank to with this match up. There is nothing a tank has in his kit to outplayed her with.

Past level 6, a tank basically has to play the most idiotic game where he has to avoid her at all cost. Her job is literally trying to hit you for 4 times yo proc her true damaged

Riot, re work this garbage champion

17 Comments

fuffychanMay 23, 20173 votes

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nerf fiora

Downvoted for bait and switch

RalanrMay 23, 20172 votes

Says that there are too many hard counters in the game. Only mentions one hard counter situation.

Seems legit.

xJLx MCHammerMay 23, 20171 votes

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Says that there are too many hard counters in the game. Only mentions one hard counter situation.

Seems legit

One situation, picks a tank Mao Malp Zac

Any tank match up with her is nearly a complete hard counter.

RalanrMay 23, 20171 votes

Don't get me wrong, I think Fiora is probably too strong right now. You just started your argument poorly.

FiddlesOnTheRoofMay 23, 20171 votes

Was thinking the same thing. Haha.

NahuiMay 23, 20172 votes

Hard counters are perfectly fair. About all champions have them, because certain kits perform especially well against others. League of Legends isn't about winning your lane. It's about destroying the enemy nexus. If you're hard countered, you play the passive game and hold out until help comes and don't feed the enemy. Simple/

FiddlesOnTheRoofMay 23, 20172 votes

She's one of three champions that can deal with tanks easily. That seems healthy to me. Anyways, ten bans are coming soon, so feel free to ban her out of all your games.

RookPusherMay 23, 20171 votes

I actually don't get how Fiora is balanced. To me I've never seen a total fail-Fiora since her rework.

YokoNomiMay 23, 20171 votes

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I actually don't get how Fiora is balanced. To me I've never seen a total fail-Fiora since her rework.

I'd made someone annoyed by mentioning this on the forums before, but I've yet to lose against a Fiora as illaoi. I know I'm still low elo, but pft.

RookPusherMay 23, 20171 votes

Maybe that's the issue. I never play the Juggernaughts. I need to learn one. Illaoi isn't my flavor. Any Fiora counters you'd recommend?

Does Swain work?

xJLx MCHammerMay 23, 20171 votes

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Maybe that's the issue. I never play the Juggernaughts. I need to learn one. Illaoi isn't my flavor. Any Fiora counters you'd recommend?

Does Swain work?

She has counters but it's not tanks... Usually mages or someone that can trade her better

Pantheon Darius Jayce Kennen Camille

FiddlesOnTheRoofMay 23, 20172 votes

What? Shitter Fioras get dumpstered all the time. Lol. She's actually really hard to play well.

k wìxMay 23, 20171 votes

I don't think there is any 'hard' countering in league. You can build around a rough lane and still come through with enough CS to play. Even if Fiora has a strong advantage in lane, you can build to endure, and focus on farming CS until mid game. Ward up to track her roaming and push when she is not in the lane.

It honestly sounds like your salty about losing to and/or feeding Fiora in lane. I think she's strong, but not completely busted right now. There is no champion in the game who can '4-shot' a tank when they are on equal terms with items and levels. The Fiora was probably fed, and you underestimated her damage output.

xJLx MCHammerMay 23, 20171 votes

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I don't think there is any 'hard' countering in league. You can build around a rough lane and still come through with enough CS to play. Even if Fiora has a strong advantage in lane, you can build to endure, and focus on farming CS until mid game. Ward up to track her roaming and push when she is not in the lane.

It honestly sounds like your salty about losing to and/or feeding Fiora in lane. I think she's strong, but not completely busted right now. There is no champion in the game who can '4-shot' a tank when they are on equal terms with items and levels. The Fiora was probably fed, and you underestimated her damage output.

Surviving the lane by scrapping enough CS is usually an indication about a match up

If I have to do that from lvl 5+, that's just a horrible match up.

I get there are match ups that you really can't win but she acts as a hard counter. Her kit is designed to counter a champion who has CC, low damage, high hp and armor. This is essentially a majority of tanks.

k wìxMay 23, 20171 votes

We all have to deal with bad matchups - that's a part of almost every competitive game these days. Learning how to do that will make you a better player. If you think that it's just 'impossible' and Fiora is going to crush you every time, Well - I think you are wrong, and I think many players have found out how to manage her in lane. If she was as oppressive as you are making her sound right now, she would've been changed sooner.

Ahri Caitlyn Lucian LeeSin Yasuo These are all good examples of champions who many consider to be very strong right now. Yet, they are all able to be managed and beaten.

Start building new items, and thinking up new runes to take into combat - I absolutely promise you, there are tools available to you before the game even starts that will help you have an easier lane experience against Fiora. Tools you have not considered.