All you have to do is listen to the caster/analyst. I think one sentence/questions that the caster asks really concludes the problem with Fiora
"Should a champion who can scale so well into late game, be able to do this early game"
Cornerstone159 votesTrue or false, that is everyone's gut reaction. She is not at all fun to lane against, and feels totally unfair.
Shablagoo6 votesWhat champion is fun to play against, honestly that is the dumbest argument ever no champion is fun to play against.
TheSingularity9 votesThat's a subjective question. I love vsing almost every champ in the game.
Fiora however, is disliked as an opponent by what appears to be a vast majority
Shablagoo2 votesExactly its subjective because some ppl like playing against some champs more then others, i personally hate playing against any ranged class because I enjoy playing melee champions. Of course its unfair to play against range as melee, but thats literally how the game works their are ranged classes vs melee classes have a ranged advantage. Fiora is a champion that has strong 1v1 potential because she is a skirmisher, meaning she is given all the tools already at the beginning of the game to 1v1 most ppl if played correctly she will be rewarded. If you want to beat her play a champion with an oppressive and strong early game spread your lead, and just deal with it.
superfire44421 votesI think certain champions are more likely to be fun to play against than others
Mechanics which I think are fun to play against
ultimateMechanics which I think are not so fun to play against
This is subjective but I think that this can get pretty close to saying what is fun to play against and what isn't for people in general (doesn't mean that everyone agrees)
Over Innsmouth40 votesMechanics which I think are not so fun to play against
Kek.
Velzard of Koz8 votesThis post cured my hemorrhage
chipndip13 votesDownvoting for the better good.
superfire4443 votesI don't mind vlad as much because he has clear weaknesses and windows to abuse said weaknesses.
Good meme though [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Over Innsmouth2 votesThis is the thinking I like.
I mean, Vladimir is still a royal pain in the ass to play against, but he's nothing egregiously cancerous like Tryndamere or Quinn top.
Dani El Pezglobo2 votesI really hope they ner fher early gamer and not her late game
AirKingNeo3 votesThey should nerf both. Her late game is insanely overpowering.
Glory ln Death8 votesA nerf to her early game is a nerf to her late game, since it makes her less reliable in getting to her late game power, or take longer getting there.
BALDG1VEN BOOMER38 votesAzael said something like "Fiora should win this matchup just because she's Fiora"
Either Azael is a shit caster or this champion just doesn't have much counter play you can't offer advice.
Dryden81430 votesHer counterplay is accept your fate,if you are not a champion that can burst her fast enough and survive her onslaught.
Theorchero19 votesHer counterplay is accept your fate,if you are not a champion that can burst her fast enough and survive her onslaught.
Too bad all Fiora has to do to avoid your burst is press W when you try and burst her. Because you know, not only should it block anything not just crowd control, even item actives and summoner spells, let's also attach a powerful movement and attack speed slow even if she doesn't manage to block anything!
Cosmic Warper3 votesToo bad all Fiora has to do to avoid your burst is press W when you try and burst her. Because you know, not only should it block anything not just crowd control, even item actives and summoner spells, let's also attach a powerful movement and attack speed slow even if she doesn't manage to block anything!
Yeah her W is overloaded to shit, as well as her passive. Those two need to be looked at if they want to nerf her.
420 grams18 votesCan't always listen to the casters. They just try to get everyone hyped. I heard them say "whoever gets galio in the draft automatically wins the game" which we know isn't true.
xJLx MCHammer4 votes[{quoted}](name=420 grams,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AmE8zAAx,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-06-25T23:29:08.964+0000)
Can't always listen to the casters. They just try to get everyone hyped. I heard them say "whoever gets galio in the draft automatically wins the game" which we know isn't true.
It was not true, there are obviously statements they make that is on the extreme
However, when they analyze certain events or situations, they are on point.
chipndip18 votesTranslation: They say things are op to get me hype, but when it's something I actually think it's op, we nerf THAT SPECIFIC THING. They're on point about that specific thing. Nerf it.
HalcyonDweller4 votesYou're implying that when shoutcasters say something it automatically cannot be true? This is presumptuous of you. It is wrong to claim either of the following:
AwesomeGuyDj17 votesMy god. I hate playing against her. I hate playing her. I hate seeing her. So. Fucking. Dumb. When i play i get the dumb as fuck vitals on the opposite side from me, while EVERY FUCKING TIME I PLAY AGAINST FIORA HER VITALS ARE IN THE MOST OPPORTUNE SPOT.
50000000000000002 votesDuring laning phase, the vital spawn alternates between blue side (bottom and left) and red side (top and right), until a vital is hit. It is a known and often used trick to walk out of vision range (not just in a bush) to reset the vitals when it is on the other side. Either player can do this.
inuitmailman2 votesAnd then you miss cs. Which means you got bullied out of lane. Yes we all know this trick . A champions counterplay shouldn't be to "just walk away" I feel dumb even saying it😑
50000000000000002 votesYou don't just walk away, though. You walk out of range and return if you're getting zoned hard or if you're not about to miss any more CS than when you had stayed. It makes it safer to farm or trade if the vital is on the opposite side from the enemy Fiora.
Rockm Sockm13 votesI don't understand how numerous champions were left in the gutter for half of her power.
Fiora has the best laning phase with no hard counters.
She also hyper scales so you can't touch her late.
Days of Elijah4 votesTo be fair, she has a few really good counters. They just aren't played professionally. (cough cough TEEMO cough cough.)
Klavier3 votescough 
cough cough
Vallalan1 votespantheon, singed counter her very hard. singed especially. literally no way you can predict riposte a fling unless you are scripting. hes also so fast that you cant really catch up to him even with the ult move speed bonus.
pantheon stun is similar. nearly instant and he just pokes you down anyway. he also blocks autos with his passive.
Automated Riven2 votesI just played the pantheon lane. His stun is very easy to riposte unless you are in melee range.
Chønklord3 voteslol are you daft. singed does NOT counter fiora, at all. ever.
OHminus1 votesHe does "counter" her in the sense that Singed doesn't really have a laning phase.
: I'm actually masochistic so you can kill me all you want. Just let me get my monies first.
Chønklord2 votesTrust me, I know. I was a singed main until recently with over 300 games.
Even if he proxy farms levels 1-6, once fiora gets 6, she can chase him down indefinitely and proc all the vitals easily. That's if he doesn't feed the enemy mid/jg by proxying.
The mobility creep and item nerfs that singed relied upon, have slowly made him unusable.
Even the highest ranked singed players are quitting (i.e. minishcap1, others).
Stalinium5 votes
would all like a word with you
500000000000000017 votesAre they supposed to be examples of having both strong early and late game? Why is Anivia there?
zaire909 votesAnivias pretty underrated that bird is actually pretty good early on. I dont play her but Ive been caught of guard with just how far that q can go along with the e damage And once she hits lv 6youre not getting her tower until she feels like letting you get it.
Theorchero3 votesAnivias pretty underrated that bird is actually pretty good early on. I dont play her but Ive been caught of guard with just how far that q can go along with the e damage And once she hits lv 6youre not getting her tower until she feels like letting you get it.
Anivia can do really good damage, but if you get hit by Q twice early (double detonation) then you got massively outplayed and deserve to take a fuckton of damage.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesxDDD massively outplayed is what we call an anivia Q now which from level 3 on is unmissable if you somehow get in W range, which isnt small either.
Wildlife14 votesActually Anivia's q is the slowest projectile in league so it's easy to dodge it. and it has a high cdr. There is a lot of counter play to anivia early. That being said, the reward for hitting the q is fair. Anivia also has a bunch of counters and can be easily shut down due to its lack of mobility.
And getting w on level 3 is occasional, it depends on the matchup and the junglers.
As others said using q e is a risky move.
TeCoolMage2 votesYup QE is brutal if you get hit, but a lot of the time it's a huge risk mana wise and cooldowns wise.
Cosmic Warper3 votesYup QE is brutal if you get hit, but a lot of the time it's a huge risk mana wise and cooldowns wise.
it should do a lot of damage. If you get hit by both parts of her Q you deserve to be bursted because it's a slow skillshot.
Slythion25 votesWhy are half of these guys here
Most of them can't reliably bully/be a threat to anyone until level 6+, the other half fall off late game
Disembark2 votesBesides Anivia and Fizz the rest seem about right (if he's talking about Karma support, she's annoying as fk in lane and good late game).
Automated Riven2 votesTrynd isnt a bully. If he gets lucky and crits you twice in a row then ya he hurts. but he is not even close to a bully. He isnt even scary until level 11-15 with 2-3 items. The only ones I would agree with on there are cait karma support (not solo lane karma who falls off) and azir.
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Dryden8144 votesManages,Meaning there is actual counterplay meaning you get punished for being a moron and getting hit by her q.
That's legit like slaying darius is sleeper op if he gets 5stacks ;-;
50000000000000002 votesfull AP Tahm Kench is sleeper OP ######kappa
although, I don't disagree that Anivia is strong. She isn't that great early though, and she's not really a sleeper pick.
W Flynn3 votesTryndamere early is so op dude, Anivia early game is so strong that she has to have a free ga to survive lanephase, Azir's early and late are both so strong he wins only 40% of games hes in.
This is a bad post, Karmas late is mediocre at best, Fizz is a melee midlaner who has easily punished early, and Drav and Cait are just fotm champs rn and happen to be decent both early and late.
Masala Chai5 votesKarma's late game isn't bad. It's just that people are Mantra'ing the wrong ability.
so yeah), and post 6 pantheon can go cry in a hole.