It feels like my performance is irrelevant.

DOUBLE TAPPED E·Feb 27, 2018·20 votes·2,213 views

When my team ignores calls, danger pings, just generally does whatever they want whenever they want with no regard for even the tiniest sliver of strategy.

All game I was ahead of Karthus. All game I was asking, begging my team, "Please can we group as 5, we can kill them all." All game I was ignored.

This happens over and over and over again. I don't think I'll be playing ranked anymore. I don't care at this point if I end the first season in 5 years as bronze. The stress of pushing myself to perform well enough to make up for 4 other people's lack of effort is just too much, it's exhausting and frustrating, and I don't feel like spending my free time being exhausted and frustrated.

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33 Comments

FloupiFeb 27, 201818 votes

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DisembarkFeb 27, 20185 votes

Also why do people post a singular game and be like “I think I made my point”.

While ignoring all the other games where he has abysmally low damage share, bad kill participation, and subpar cs.

LOSINGISMYPRIDEFeb 27, 20181 votes

Its sure the same work like this but should your team drag you down if for example you made them win , i mean if they got some faith in winning they should just stick at your clothes and go in the train with you to focus on objective same if they feed or whatever , they either could focus on getting tankyness and place their bet all-in into the only hope they have at some point and maybe have the chance to win . I mean doing whatever to win is much better than giving up losing in my opinion but well its just a mentality .

Snake PrinceFeb 27, 20181 votes

the thing is this happen everyone when riot decides to match u with 4 uncarryable mates so u can do the regular chain lose . and some times later u will have easy stomps and here is chain win . U rly impact just 20 % of ur games , the rest riot tries to polysh win rates around 50 % .

DigityFeb 27, 20184 votes

sadly the game is 5v5 after all u are dependant on every teammate and riot doesnt help it much with questionable changes towards further snowballing the game. also voicechat might improve teamplay but ofc riot made it only for premades group.

T4underboltFeb 27, 20182 votes

Because if it wasn't only for premade you would end up hearing every game what your teammates did with your mom last night.

DigityFeb 27, 20181 votes

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Because if it wasn't only for premade you would end up hearing every game what your teammates did with your mom last night.

u realise u can mute the one who prefs to shit talk rather than win right?

Eternal ZenFeb 27, 20184 votes

Your performance IS MOSTLY irrelevant.

I'm a Teemo MID main who buys support items and I'm Plat IV currently, been working towards diamond since end of last season, I'll get there. However, I say that to make the point that while I'm a freaking amazing Teemo, Teemo mid is not good, it's always a brutal fight. If I was super super serious I'd play something different. Rather, I enjoy the challenge of taking on off pick to high tier and out performing the best 10% of the player base, it makes me laugh. That said, the only reason I can get away with this is that even if I lose lane my chances of winning are STILL near 50% on any random lane loss game pick you look at. This is because your individual performance is not irrelevant, but is mostly irrelevant.

Reasons your performance matters:

You can snowball the 'winning' mentality of your team if you do well. If you do well it's easy to encourage others to do well. If you do poorly that tends to be reflected in your teams attitude. I would argue that champions and skill level of your team is maybe 30% (somewhere in there, I realize it seems like an arbitrary percentage) of your capacity to win. The majority of your capacity to win any given game is your teams ability to work together and function as respectful and aware of each other. If you can't do this you probably lost, hence why solo q is mostly a sh*t show because you never know what random A$$hole is going to be on your team.

Outside of this your perfromance mostly doens't matter. You could practically AFK and still win 30-40% of your games assuming your team still tried to win. If all you did was ward the jungle all game you'd still win 40-50% of your games. Bold claim? I challenge you to seriously reflect on this. What makes you win >50% of your games is you doing well consistently across hundreds of games. This doens't mean that any one game you do well on will automatically be a win, just that it is statistically SLIGHTLY more likely to be a win. Lets put it at 55-60% likely to be a win, that may be generous. When you spread a consistent favoring win average across hundreds of games you climb the ranked ladder.

Conclusion: Your one anecdotal game example of you doing well and losing is statistically irrelevant.

NeversexsitFeb 27, 20183 votes

"It feels like my performance is irrelevant." Your performance is irrelevant, because your impact is irrelevant.

anmyauntieonpoFeb 27, 20183 votes

OP, here are my honest tips. I'm not ranked much higher than you but I'm climbing much faster than you are. This is my first season

Learn to dodge. Look up people's OP.GGs. Lot of kids in bronze suck BAD. Like not even 1:1 kda top laners, 20% WR ADCs who also play some jungle, etc. Those games are unwinnable unless their laner is equally bad. I rather lose 3-7LP with a dodge than risk losing close to 20 with what is probably a loss 90+% of the time.
Looking over your games. It seems to me that you seem to think your KDA is the most important thing and you really self preserve too hard. How do I know this? Your damage to champions is super low for the type of champion you play and your KDA in some games. Seems like you just come into fights only when you know you can secure/steal kills unharmed. You def aren't going to get out of bronze/silver being a Kat main averaging 15k damage in 40min games. In general, self preservation is a good idea because everyone pretty much dies too much in bronze, but sometimes when you see people going in you just have to go in even if there is good chance its a bad fight. You preserving your life does nothing when they get an objective anyways. On top of that, when you are securing gold for your team and not putting it to use by doing alot of damage to the enemy team, you're basically wasting your lead.
What rank do you think you deserve? If you think you deserve gold, you should be good enough with Katarina to snowball a vast majority of your games into 2v1ing and 3v1ing your way to victory. People don't want to listen to you in bronze because they probably think they are better than you even if you are carrying because they are simply delusional. That, or they are annoyed by how much you may be pinging/saying, or they may have very low self-esteem and cannot take instructions as anything more than an insult. My strategy is basically I talk very little, only to mention going to baron/get inhibitors/end. Everything else I ping. I do ping the fuck out of people who are overextended with no vision because they need to be pinged the fuck out of in order to know they should fall back, and it happens every single game whether ahead of behind. Use the alert ping not the enemy missing ping for these types of things, people have a built in defense mechanism psychologically with the enemy missing ping because it relates to them doing poorly and being flamed. If you spam that ping at any point in time they will basically never listen to you again the entire game and might even decide to intentionally throw.
Bronze and Silver sucks. Full of people looking for a reason to give up/rage. You're dealing with a bunch of emotional babies, basically. Not sure if higher elo's are much different, but for the most part higher elo players are going to be smarter individuals holistically. Less intelligent individuals let emotions define their decisions/life. Thats why you see the behavior you do in people who are in low elo. The calm people in low elo probably just dont play the game enough to rank up higher. I think a huge part of this game is staying calm in all situations, it's not easy and I definitely dont always do it. But, I think its key because despite what the boards constantly cry about things can be turned around in a game in low elo very easily. People, even when ahead, make huge mistakes all the way until the end of the game, and if you know how to think calm and capitalize on them you might have a chance.

Pika FoxFeb 27, 20182 votes

There is one of you, four of your team. Of course your team is going to matter more than you. Thats why you play hundreds of ranked games to get a real understanding of your skill level.

ricardo2010Feb 27, 20182 votes

My main hovers between d4-p2 rank depending on how trash im playing, and i can even go play on a bronze or silver and lose a game sometimes. Hell even master and challenger players do. I played a game recently in d5 elo with a top 50 ranked challenger top laner on my team and he went like 1/7 playing his best champ even.

Sometimes you just can't carry. But if you had games like this consistently maybe you win more, but for sure being that you've been silver for like god knows how many seasons, (not shaming) you really better off improving your map play and decision making during teamfights, hell your whole game needs a lot of improvement. Just focus on playing better and forget about win/lose/teammates and you'll actually climb.

GhazterFeb 27, 20181 votes

I had a game like that... It really sucks. I was giving instructions the whole game and ignored all the time. Ranked is really rigged in the fact that you basically have to carry and 1v9 every game, which a lot of the time just isn't worth it.

Wise EnoughFeb 27, 20181 votes

Sadly, in lower elo you rarely have any team fights. Let alone people controlling objectives.

DOUBLE TAPPED EFeb 27, 20181 votes

Oh we were trying to control objectives. Nasus was top with teleport on cooldown, Ashe and Thresh were dead, and Ekko was freaking out because I refused to go in 2v5 to contest a cloud drake.

Wise EnoughFeb 27, 20181 votes

I had a series to silver 5 yesterday, playing as a support. First game, i had clueless adc that isn't even ranked but in his/her placement match. Second game, our Nasus fed Olaf majestically, going full tilt by 7th minute where he lost his second tower. Speaking of performance being relevant on your part.

Xion The XIVFeb 27, 20181 votes

This is good and bad at the same time. I remember the time where 1 person could carry an entire team. It sucked. You could stomp your enemy laner to 0/10, but their mid lane would drag them kicking and screaming to a win.

BisaknospFeb 27, 20181 votes

happens to me all the time with Ahri some champs just cant carry alone but tbh i thought katarina wasnt one of them

AnateraFeb 27, 20181 votes

Welcome to why matchmaking is busted. The game doesn't actually pair you with people who are as good as you.

Beached ManateeFeb 27, 20181 votes

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Welcome to why matchmaking is busted. The game doesn't actually pair you with people who are as good as you think you are.

Fixed that for you [slayer-jinx-catface]

BALDG1VEN BOOMERFeb 27, 20181 votes

Well that’s Bronze for you, what more can you ask for?

T I X vukyFeb 27, 20181 votes

what do you call this then loool

https://imgur.com/a/lQ5As

dont want you to see the score of my teammates in this one

HammermancerFeb 27, 20181 votes

20 kills deep and you can't just bully your way throught to nexus? You're on a high scaling high burst high mobility champion with insane skill cap potential.

You should be able to just shove your superiority down their throat if you're that good

that might be what's holding you back, learn how strong you are.

HalcyonDwellerFeb 27, 20181 votes

Gotta find a duo you can rely on. With 2 of you being coordinated, you can increase your chances of having the team cooperate and make good plays.

Need to get the team to group? Just have the two of you join up with your team's strongest player (or the champion most likely to be able to help if a fight breaks out) and everyone will naturally gravitate together.

ChroudFeb 27, 20181 votes

Yes its is Solo/Q but the trick I am finding out this season is its better to team up with another player of your caliber.

(But I do not have friends to play with me as I play at odd times or anything else? What I do when none of my friends are online is ill come here to the forums and look at the Player Recruitment section and if no one is looking for a duo partner Ill make a post. (Ive had great success with this and even made more friends.

The other thing I have noticed about this season is that there is a lack of engage tank players out there. So me and my duo partner make sure that we are either (A) a main Tank and (B) Off tank to support are team. Are win rate so far is very good spamming the "Same Champions" is also key. (yes its boring and gets repetitive but if your trying to climb its the best option in my opinion.

I hope this personal information helps you! :)

Just a clone bruFeb 27, 20181 votes

Coming from a plat 1 katarina main i think you should change ur build.Rylais got buffed and it is actually viable on katarina,the mask is now actually okay to burst tanks since void is nerfed,as for the game i think a 1v5 was possible because trist had 0 mr and enemy support was a velkoz,easy go in on tristana kill her jump onto karthus or velkoz kill them and since you aoe dmg them the rest of the team would probably be low,qss could be nice aswell cuz of exnhaust and udyr wouldnt be much of a problem.

Hope this helps!

Beached ManateeFeb 27, 20181 votes

Let's see: To begin with, there's a good chance your post will get taken down, or at the very least, have the picture blocked by admins because you aren't allowed to be like, "Yeah, my team sucked" without actually blanking out their names.

Secondly, of course you were ahead of Karthus all lane. Immobile slow squishy mage versus very mobile assassin always ends that way. His biggest strategy is "die somewhere you can't hop out of" but it looks like he bided his time and used his ult well to come back. Not surprising Nasus lost lane to Sion, I think, since Sion's a lane bully nowadays (right?) Your team did seem to be let's say less skilled than your opponents and it looks like you couldn't help them much because they had a lot of hard cc to stop your damage with and you built to deal damage and nothing else (which is not wrong, as an assassin). The game looks to have been a skill matchup that they lost and you simply weren't equipped to carry.

Jušt MonikaFeb 27, 20181 votes

So retarded how this game works now. Now its, " 1 person does really good you cant carry but if 1 person feeds you lose the game" I hate how this is such a team game. I should not have to be punished off of someones else mediocre play

DOUBLE TAPPED EFeb 28, 20181 votes

It's whatever, I know I just need to grind out more games, but it just feels like everything snowballs out of control so quickly it's difficult to win games where you are behind unless you are a solid 3-4 tiers above the elo you're playing in.

I remember I used to be able to rally a team and come back just by playing safe and farming up, but not anymore. People die too quickly, there is wayyyyyy too much unavoidable CC, and towers fall like paper. Also team gold for shutdowns just means that even if I'm doing well... ESPECIALLY if I'm doing well, if I make a single mistake, it's over.

I'm not a mechanically perfect player. I'm not a strategic mastermind.

Titanium125Feb 28, 20181 votes

Not to sound like a jerk, but if you're not mechanically perfect, karthus just isn't a good champion in low elo. I recommend finding some strong champions that pertain to you (I know being a meta slave isn't fun). But if you can get good at good champions, games will go better. Just some advice from a jungle/support/top main.