Why players hate zoe and possible solutions.

Mos Deadly98··1 votes·930 views

Zoe is hated because nidalee jayce. Yeah those two champions that had massive poke problems. On the other hand they wernt as cancerous as zoe is because they didnt have cc to chain their poke into. So in order to make a champion like zoe work it has to be like ap shaco nidalee or singed where it doesnt play like a normal champion. Which means certainly T doesnt have a good record of designing champions this way.

So what could happen.

You have to remove the W to effectively make this champion work. If you want to you can remove one of zoes actual summoner spells and replace it with W.

So what if you wanted her to be extremely ranged support. Which means you never die and support your team instead of actually 100-0ing people. Well then change w into a long ranged heal you can make her basically a long ranged champion that can win teamfights off giving people things.

What if you wanted to make her a damage dealer? Well remove the w and make zoe a massive zone. Allowing her to use w 3 times for a small zone similar to the one her e makes if it misses and if she lands w she does as much damage as she used to. This means zoe has to make decisions on where she wants to zone.

Another thing you can do is make her damaged based on something. you can make w place a star on click q moves the star to cursor. E makes star explode applying the sleep.

Basically Zoe needs a addition to her kit. Like annies bear shacos boxes nidalees passive and singed poison she needs a mechanic that makes her unique. Right now shes xerath with mobility.

9 Comments

Deneviel2 votes

It was granted that she would be hated by almost the whole comunity, and there is a simple reason for that: "CertainlyT"

It's notorius that every champ he designed only promoted frustation into the game and everyone got minor adjustment at some point, Zoe will prob be no less.

As for me i would totally get rid of her W migrating some of her dmg from Q to the new W, also her E should become an hit or miss ability, like ELise cocoon.

Dunno about your suggestion but she is clarely a total mess rigth now

proliarides1 votes

Git Gud, I like her

Deneviel1 votes

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Git Gud, I like her

"**ALMOST **whe whole" ...... guess it's too hard to figure out you are one of those who like her.

Khristophoros2 votes

The reasons are complicated and nuanced, much like the champion's design, but let's attempt to figure it out!

  • People hate being bursted from 2 screens away

  • People hate dealing with long range CC that sets up said 100-0 from 2 screens away (oh and leaves behind a trap because why not?)

Her design is so bad it's hilarious.

proliarides2 votes

I dont know what to say dude, if you are so braindead to walk on the trap then you deserve to get bursted. She has to position, set up an E and do that fast enough to prevent your team from covering you or you using a gap closer to get out of reach.

If she manages to land an E 2 screens away from you and getting to your position fast enough while you had time to use spells, items, skills before getting stunned then I think it's not the champion who is bad but you.

Also Fizz can land his R out of vision and delete the adc and mid just the same way but he gets to have untargetability and gap closers to escape and people aren't complaining. Oh and he has 52.44% winrate while zoe had 49% winrate.

If she was so broken then explain the 49% winrate smh. You just hate people having fun because she is one of the most fun to play champs released. Now she has 41% winrate kek.

Crystalysk1 votes

How can you even compare Fizz with Zoe?

Khristophoros1 votes

Compare her E to Lux Q. It serves the same function except it has much longer range AND it leaves the trap. The trap blocks an area for 4 seconds.

Compare her Q to Nid Q. MUCH more damage, much longer effective range. Much shorter CD.

Both of those things on the same kit makes for a toxic playing against experience. I'm not even talking about balance. I'm talking about, this is garbage to play against and nobody wants to deal with it.

This kit is never going to be in a state that people are ok with playing against while also having viable numbers.

Azadethe1 votes

TLDR; More of the same:

Zoe was not broken, nor was she performing well.

Her pacing just didn't match a tournament level pacing inafar as risk, because Zoe's power spikes are generally late game when unfed. 20-35 Minutes she has a horrendously low win rate. 35+ She begins to affect game win/loss.

I don't know if you got the memo: they just nerfed her into leblanc. And now she's winning 5% more often than she was, because while her Q is no longer life ending, her passive and auto attacks got a buff. Now instead of 50% of her damage being in her autos. Now it's about 65% in her autos.

vgamedude1 votes

There was never a thing wrong with Zoe except maybe in top levels of pro play and even then it's debatable.

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