Certainly T makes broken champions. Not overpowered champions.

Mos Deadly98··3 votes·2,014 views

Certainly Ts champions go as follows. Yasuo Zyra Zoe Darius Kalista Thresh Not a single champion on this list is truely overpowered. (aside from zoe but give her the release leeway) All of them have massive weaknesses that means they are either gods from getting ahead or garbage from feeding. Darius Has to be in range and must get ahead or else he will be too squishy to stay in a fight. Kalista Needs attackspeed to keep kiting or she will simply get ignored. Zoe long ranged poke but needs to nuke each q and cant be aginst a team that can engage. Zyra needs ap items to nuke an entire team or will become a cc droid. You might as well have just picked braum instead if this happens. Thresh Has alot of utility and thats it. He deals some damage but most other supports outdamage him. Needs to get team fed. Yasuo If you shut him down and end the game he will never be strong enough. Even if he runs around like a moron itll just be annoying.

Now heres why they are broken. Every single one of these champions if they are fed will be able to end the game on their own. Thresh Yes even a fed thresh can roam across the map and end the game. This means they can never be balanced or they will become overbearing. They always have to be under the powercurve. If they are allowed to have any power that would allow them to get ahead they will be op.

For reference; a champion that is as far from broken as possible Urgot can still hard carry if fed but can have a great early game and be on the power curve. He also can easily get behind and still be relevent with his medium range tank stats and ult.

So in other words even if the game was absolutely balanced with every champion being exactly where they were supposed to be getting exactly a 50% winrate, these champions would still be either overpowered or underpowered. Unless of course you bring back ap yasuo, then he will be completely balanced.

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RenownedWheat422 votes

This whole "CT champs can never be balanced/are broken as shit" stuff is getting a little old. People pick apart the kits in a way that's favorable for their arguments and that's about it. None of it's really objective and that makes all of this "Discussion" pointless.

"Must be in range" is a lame weakness in and of itself when you compare it to the rest of Darius' kit. Yes he has shortcomings in certain matchups, but so does literally every other champ. He doesn't have to get ahead to stay relevant because with the way his kit works he can still ramp back up even from behind. I've played as, with, and against Darius players who've fallen behind in lane and failed AND succeeded through clever play.

"Kalista needs attack speed" she's an ADC. It's her recommended build. Not super certain what that argument is supposed to mean.

Zoe's long ranged poke but lack of an escape makes her good in situation A but bad in situation B. Not sure how this is broken - isn't that where COUNTERS come in?

Zyra... builds AP. Of course she needs it to deal damage. This argument is also weak. No one plays Zyra to be a tank support, they play her to deal damage WITH CC.

Thresh, that's how he functions. He's not picked for damage. That's like picking Alistar for damage - you don't do it. Thresh is useful for long range engages, saves, heavy CC, and kill secure, not damage.

Yasuo, like anyone else, can be useless if shut down. That said, he can also catch up. He can destroy a game or he can feed his ass off, and sometimes he's in the middle where he's not 12/0 but he's also not 1/15.

Hópe1 votes

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This whole "CT champs can never be balanced/are broken as shit" stuff is getting a little old. People pick apart the kits in a way that's favorable for their arguments and that's about it. None of it's really objective and that makes all of this "Discussion" pointless.

"Must be in range" is a lame weakness in and of itself when you compare it to the rest of Darius' kit. Yes he has shortcomings in certain matchups, but so does literally every other champ. He doesn't have to get ahead to stay relevant because with the way his kit works he can still ramp back up even from behind. I've played as, with, and against Darius players who've fallen behind in lane and failed AND succeeded through clever play.

"Kalista needs attack speed" she's an ADC. It's her recommended build. Not super certain what that argument is supposed to mean.

Zoe's long ranged poke but lack of an escape makes her good in situation A but bad in situation B. Not sure how this is broken - isn't that where COUNTERS come in?

Zyra... builds AP. Of course she needs it to deal damage. This argument is also weak. No one plays Zyra to be a tank support, they play her to deal damage WITH CC.

Thresh, that's how he functions. He's not picked for damage. That's like picking Alistar for damage - you don't do it. Thresh is useful for long range engages, saves, heavy CC, and kill secure, not damage.

Yasuo, like anyone else, can be useless if shut down. That said, he can also catch up. He can destroy a game or he can feed his ass off, and sometimes he's in the middle where he's not 12/0 but he's also not 1/15.

The arguments about CertainlyTs champs not being balanced is NOT getting old because hes making NEW champions that follow the SAME story. None of his champs are balanceable. Thresh is out soloing adcs 300 prison boxs and is arguably the best support for so long and most versatile.

Zyra has been booted from the mid lane to support.

Yasuo has had a 30+% ban rate minimum since release and is the communitys obvious most hated champion in the game.

I dont even want to talk about Zoe. Fat mistake.

Kalista has had a 100% ban rate this worlds without being played once.

Mos Deadly981 votes

darius is like most juggernauts. They need to be ahead to become the powerhouse they were meant to be. otherwise the juggernaut will either not deal enough damage or be squishy.

Kalista needs alot of gold to be useful. If she is incapable of kiteing hard enough she is screwed. She doesnt have enough range to kite from a distance.

Zoe needs alot of gold to make each q deal impactful damage. Otherwise she would suffer nidalee syndrome. Either nidalee deals tons of damage with spears or she is useless.

Zyra needs to build pure ap or else she is useless. she cant waver. Which is a problem since she is a support. If she doesnt have enough gold for items she is useless.

Thresh is balanced. But if he ever goes even remotely anywhere he will be useless or broken.

With yasuo he will rarely just be a decent part of a teamfight. Either he is so powerful he carries an entire teamfight or he is so weak he just uses windwall and dies.

So yes there is still a reason to discuss this shit.

RenownedWheat421 votes

There's always gonna be a REASON to discuss these things, but the ways y'all do it are pointless. Points are provided in so blatantly biased a way that they might as well not be provided at all.

Mos Deadly981 votes

I'm biased? I'm one of the fuckers that plays yi and amumu top in plat 1. I also absolutely destroy every top laner certainly T created. Why would i care?

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RenownedWheat421 votes

Not even properly described weaknesses, either. "Without attack speed, this ADC isn't as good as she should be."

Well ya don't say.

Mos Deadly981 votes

With kalista you dont just need attackspeed to be as good as you should be. Her kit flat out functions on attackspeed. IF you dont have the gold for attackspeed items you are useless.

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