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@Meddler, so Garen and Morde aren't performing really well at the moment

Goodnight Nunu·10/18/2016, 11:29:53 PM·29 votes·1,994 views

Is there a chance to give those two Juggernauts some love?

I heard you're looking into giving Shyvana some buffs as well in 6.23 and seeing that both Garen and Mordekaiser struggle a bit I feel they could benefit from getting some small buffs.

Garen for example could really see some nerfs to his Q and MS reverted.

And how about giving Mordekaiser a bit more base HP and armor? He's actually holding the worst performance of any top and mid laner for a while now, really fickle balance state right there

39 Comments

TyrekGoldenspear10/18/2016, 11:33:19 PM4 votes

Garen buffs are welcome.

MunchCrunchLunch10/19/2016, 12:37:24 AM3 votes

looking at winrates mordekaiser is doing perfectly fine? how is he doing bad ? or are we gonna be fanboys and ask for buffs because malicious is the poster child of the forums? morde doesn't need any buffs. he has 50 percent winrate in all lanes

WoonStruck10/19/2016, 1:27:35 AM3 votes

Garen MS/tenacity when moving towards Villain.

Mordekaiser Higher base HP growth (he has less than 1800 @18) MS buff when moving toward R target or R ghost.

Malicious Metal10/18/2016, 11:36:03 PM3 votes

Hmm so something along those lines then?

Garen +5 MS Q; MS bonus increased

Mordekaiser +3 base armor

  • 10ish more hp per level?
Mira Arya Enthe10/18/2016, 11:32:01 PM3 votes

I agree Garen and Morde need help. But Shyvana is looking at changes, not buffs. Like, changes to how her kit works. She was missed in the Juggernaut update, so they plan on helping her out in some manner.

Morde certainly needs some help or a redesign though. But we should just have them work with MM on a rework for Morde ;P

PapaGreg2110/19/2016, 1:44:40 PM1 votes

Garen is pretty unkillable as it is. If they buffed his damage they would need to nerf his defense in my opinion. He is like singed in that he kills nobody but nobody kills him either.

Lionheart I10/19/2016, 2:51:59 PM1 votes

Hey ya,

Im a Garen Hyper Onetrick (yes a new word xd) and i think Garen need a buff. I 've played more than 5000 games with him and overall ihave 2000000 mastery Points with him. Riot said a few month ago they wanna change garen. his E should have more counterplay for melee characters. and to be honest his e has for melee characters no Counterplay and they wanna nerf it. But i think they should buff his q like he got a little 'Ragnarok'. That means while his q is acitvated he is slow resistant for the duration or his ult passive isnt that random

Best Regards

Gàrén

resumed10/19/2016, 6:51:17 PM1 votes

leave garen in the gutter he's unfun and frustrating to play against and punishes you for doing well

The Great Divide10/19/2016, 7:01:36 PM1 votes

The last time the boards rallied around "buff garen," we had a pick-ban monster in solo queue that even showed presence in worlds. Forgive me if I never want to see Garen buffed again.

GULAG 4 U10/19/2016, 7:26:13 PM1 votes

Morde is honestly Okay if it wasn't for...

His fucking shitons (30+) of bugs. Holy fucking christ.

JESUSSAYSNO10/19/2016, 7:35:11 PM1 votes

Garen is hard for riot to really buff, because if he was buffed into viability in high tier play, he'd have 70+% winrates in bronze and silver.

Violet Raven10/19/2016, 8:26:06 PM1 votes

Kalista

AirKingNeo10/19/2016, 1:16:08 AM1 votes

Neither is Jax or Aatrox and you don't see any changes. (WHERE MY AATROX BUFFS AT? IT'S PRESEASON)

PermabannedGaren10/19/2016, 4:12:14 AM1 votes

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Is there a chance to give those two Juggernauts some love?

I heard you're looking into giving Shyvana some buffs as well in 6.23 and seeing that both Garen and Mordekaiser struggle a bit I feel they could benefit from getting some small buffs.

Garen for example could really see some nerfs to his Q and MS reverted.

And how about giving Mordekaiser a bit more base HP and armor? He's actually holding the worst performance of any top and mid laner for a while now, really fickle balance state right there

Mordekaiser's performance to be fair is going to be artificially lower than it actually is.

Mordekaiser will always have one of if not the lowest damage taken ratings, because damage to his shield isn't factored into it.

I've built Mordekaiser incredibly tanky (item 3116 item 3053 item 3111 item 3068 item 3065 item 3742 ) and been heavily focused throughout the game and tanked a huge amount of damage, but had the lowest damage taken.

His shield is strong.

DarkMapache10/19/2016, 5:05:35 AM1 votes

I would buff Morde simply by letting him cast W on enemies. I do great with him except that, without fighting inside a horde of minions, you're pretty much lacking a spell.

He'd be viable if he could cast it onto the enemy champion and gain increased movement speed towards them, and while the circles touch, the enemy champion would be damaged.

Pretty easy solution, really, just with that he is millions of times better.

HazyCloud710/19/2016, 5:26:34 AM1 votes

Garen is too binary and obnoxious to play against and should never be buffed aside from simple QoL changes.