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Spear of Shojin

Theorex··5 votes·1,958 views

That item should not exist in the game.

Spear of Shojin, has some of the shittiest stats in the game.

But what it offers is absolutely insane. It turns champions like Jax, Riven, and Renekton into face roll champions. It also increases their durability as well. Not even from just the stats.

Jax can use his E more often making him invincible to auto attacks. Riven gets more shields. Rekenton can use more abilities generate more rage, and heal more with his Q.

If other champions got a item like Spear of Shojin everyone would be completely bitching about it.

Imagine a Hat of Shojin. After casting your ulti, every time you damage an enemy champion, you get 33% of your spells cooldowns back (not ulti). Has 50 AP + 20% cdr + 200 hp. Super Shitty stats. But guess what would happen. Champions like Viktor, Ahri, Orianna, Syndra, TF. Would all become insane monsters with no counterplay. Because TF could perma stun you with gold card. Syndra can perma zone you or stun you. Ahri can just keep throwing out charms after she lands her first charm. Viktor can just keep running you down with Q non stop. His shields would be up forever.

Everyone would be bitching about it. So why do these champions to get a complete bullshit item? This item is the exact same as RageBlade. Very few champions can abuse them, but when they do abuse them there is no equal.

RageBlade and Spear of Shojin should be removed from the game. Champions have CDs at a certain number for a reason. CDR is already a factor to lower that. Adding more CDR that is not usable by all champions is unfair.

Either give it so that tanks, mages, and supports can also have something like that. Or remove it. ADC's have RageBlade. (Not Crit ones)

9 Comments

Wiented2 votes

So you say 20% cdr, Health and AD is shitty lineup for item stats? Its literally the same as Black Cleaver xD Its not even the strongest item in the game, champions who build it are all MELEE, its passive is expensive and conditional. What are you bitching about D: Or should we remvove Trinnity Force as well? Since it is an even bigger powerspike? Lets remove whole freaking game, because of our personal bias.

Theorex2 votes

The difference between a Tri-Force and Spear of Shojin is Tri Force only offers damage. Spear of Shojin offers damage, sustain, durability, and CC.

I have no problem with Tri-Force. The issue is how much an item can offer. Spear of Shojin offers too much to champions, which make them a nightmare to deal with. They all become Ryze pre-shield removal, but stronger.

Wiented1 votes

Shojin doesnt not offer sustain. It has one passive and it is conditional, it is also expensive. The item is fine. Its the only thing that makes Renekton scale a bit better too.

Theorex3 votes

Alright, thats the problem.

Renekton shouldn't scale after 20 minutes. He already wins against majority of the match ups in top lane.

Wiented1 votes

Dissagree. There are matchups that simply outscale him way too hard without shojin. It doesnt matter how many kill you get in lane if you play against well coordinated team. Renekton should be rewarded for winning lane just like any other champion.

Theorex1 votes

What?

He gets outscaled because he is a early game champion. That is the whole point of picking the EARLY game champions. Is to dominate the lanes.

It is his Job. To make sure that he wins before the enemy scales. And if he doesn't win before the enemy scales, that is his punishment.

Like how if you pick a late game champion, you are punished early by having a weak early game. It just makes sense.

That is the exact reason why Spear of Shojin shouldn't exist. It makes certain champions relevant ALWAYS. There is NEVER a point in time where Renekton wouldn't be relevant because of Shojin. Meaning that there is never a reason to pick Riven or Camille into Renekton. Because he will always beat you at every point in the game. And those are just EARLY game champions.

Then lets get into the tank match ups for Renekton, WHERE HE ALREADY GET TO WIN BECAUSE THEY ARE TANKS. Spear of Shojin, makes a tanks job 100x harder in the late game because he will be moving around consistently with his dash. And will have more CC than the tanks. Maybe not longer CC, but more Frequent CC.

The game used to be balanced around the idea of Duration of Game champions.

Such as Pantheon, Renekton, Jayce, etc were all early game champions for top lane, that DROPPED SUPER FUCKING HARD if they didn't stomp their enemy laners.

You had mid game champions, that stomped when they got their power spike items. Such as Riven.

And then you had LATE GAME champions that were the gods of league, if they didn't get shit on in the early and mid games. Like Vayne, or Karthus.

Now ALL of that is out the window. You have Vaynes in their late game by level 10. You have karthus's in their late game by 2-3 items.

You have Pantheon and Renekton that are relevant ALL GAME LONG.

You have Riven who is a monster because she is mid game, and is 80% of both early and late game.

The idea that getting rewarded THAT heavily is a dumb idea. It throws out basic game mechanics and ideas, for the sake of damage. Which is a toxic way to change the game from what it originally was. It requires a fundamental change to everything in the game.

Such as introductions of new Bullshit items. Like that one mentioned above for mages. And then one for tanks. And then one of supports. and then you are back to the same bullshit before. This time, with a Staple item for every single class.

Wiented1 votes

And who said the fact he is earlygame champion is set in stone? I feel like you are trying to define champions as you please and expect others to just nod to that. In my oppinion Renekton is strong in all phases of the game, strong early, very strong midgame and ok lategame, there is no point in bitching about the champ. Even if you remove Shojin, Renekton is fine without it. That only proves that item is balanced since its so conditional. If you dont play around it, you get smashed, if you do, you will be fine. If you want to remove Shojin i propose we remove Zhonya and QSS as well since you need to play around this items as well.

Theorex1 votes

I'm fine with the removal of Zhonyas.

Zhonya's has cases like Spear of Shojin, where the item is 100% better on certain champions than others.

QSS on the other hand, is a must keep for ADC's to stay alive. As they have the lowest HP bars in the game. QSS doesn't create any toxic stats like Zhonya's or Spear of Shojin. Zhonya's give enough time to get another spell up. Spear lets you get more spells up faster. QSS? QSS only allows for escaping certain death for certain CC types and ADC's.

Wiented1 votes

Superb! Lets remove Steraks after Zhonya. Lets remove EVERYTHING untill the lategame build is Boots of mobility and 5 dorans lmao. Those Items have cooldowns and they SHOULD be very strong because they are conditional. The moment we remove those items we will get to the point where every fight is stat-check. You really dont understand game design brother. Also, QSS is far more unhealthy item then both zhonya and shojin together are.

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