Just because I put support as secondary doesn't mean I'm ok with playing it every game

A Bad Nasus·Mar 18, 2016·10 votes·765 views

Fix the fucking queue already.

18 Comments

FrankerXMar 18, 20163 votes

how is riot supposed to fix that noone wants to play support? make a system that forces you to play at least 20% of your games as support or you get permabanned?

tell me how pls.

OnegarionMar 18, 20161 votes

I thought of a system that could be implemented. Instead of a simple primary/secondary you expand it to a slider. The slider would present a % of intent to play. Keeping with the 2 role system, the slider at 50/50 would mean first game possible between the 2 roles selected. 75/25 would be a primary/secondary style, but this would mean 3 attempts at the first role before going to the second role. In theory you could expand it to include all 5 roles and have a fair chance at all of them.

FrankerXMar 18, 20161 votes

im pretty sure the system is already trying to search over multiple games to get you into your first role. but idk hm

OnegarionMar 18, 20161 votes

pretty sure? Bot/Supp. Have 1 bot game in last 20 games. The system is trying to fill the ques faster instead of prioritizing your primary role. This is shown in games where you can have 2 players que up with mirrored picks (p1 jungle/mid p2 mid/jungle) and they can very easy both get their secondary roles.

What i'm talking about is having more weight based on what you want to play. Obviously Que times would change because of it, but it would open players to more than 2 roles and let them choose what they want to play. Hell maybe even let them play 1 role, but have a massive que time increase.

FrankerXMar 18, 20161 votes

i think the problem is when the system really goes for 75/25 the timers would take MUCH longer than already. because ppl just dont play support.

OnegarionMar 18, 20161 votes

I fail to see why its a bad thing to have longer timers for peopel picking popular roles. If they choose those roles its their fault for 5+ min ques. I get <30s ques as a support player. Its a choice to make and you must live with the consequences.

FrankerXMar 18, 20161 votes

agreed i prefer to wait longer to get my main role but a lot of ppl already complain about the wait timers.

OnegarionMar 18, 20161 votes

Thats where people need to realize that they can improve their que times, but decrease their chance at their role or Increase the chance of getting their role, but increase que time. You can't have it both ways.

I don't think they should incentivize the support role either. With it being a role people don't like to play, by in large, I wouldn't want it flooded with people who don't know how to play it just so I don't have to play my main every game. I don't want to trade supports that are familiar with the role for players who don't and just fail. I'd rather boost the ability to get the role that you want for the trade off for longer que times.

No flash no lifeMar 18, 20163 votes

Swap your primary with secondary, problem solved.

VengefulMarvMar 18, 20162 votes

The queue isn't the problem. It's just that there aren't enough players putting support or even "fill" as a choice. Why do you think so many games with the old queue resulted in last pick being a support player?

Truly PridefulMar 18, 20161 votes

I pick Bot / Mid and get Mid almost every game some nights. They need to actually put a bias toward your primary.

the Anarchit3chtMar 18, 20161 votes

This is out of Riot's hands. Apart from a complete overhaul that would make the Support role more appealing to the player base, there is nothing that can be done. When you put "fill" or "support" as your secondary in an attempt to match you up as quickly as possible, they will simply compare you against other people queuing and when your support secondary can complete a roster, you'll get plugged in.

I understand your frustration, I do, because I personally like playing fill/support SOMETIMES, but I don't always. What I liked about fill before dynamic queue was that while I'd get support a lot, there'd often be times when I'd get into a lobby with someone intent on playing support. But because the number of people who want to play support are few, in this new system you will almost never get put into the same game as them if you also queued for that as they need to plug them into their own games to fill out team rosters.

EmittingXsMar 18, 20161 votes

"just because i get a job doesn't mean i want to work."

try not picking support at all and i'm pretty sure your problems will be fixed.

i await your "queue times are too long Riot WTF!?"

ShaftyMegeeMar 18, 20161 votes

It's not the queue that's the problem. With 5 roles and really only 3 of them are VERY desired, jungle and support will be harder to find... So if you put those in your role list it's most likely going to be those.

Best Valor NAMar 18, 20161 votes

then don't put it as one of your roles every game then :)

PartholonianMar 18, 20161 votes

If you put support as secondary every game, the system will think you're OK with playing support every game if that's what teams need (and it will be, for reasons I don't think we really need to rehash here).

If you put support as secondary some games, but other games you don't put support or fill in at all, then the system will think you're OK with playing support on some games but others it definitely won't make you support.

Not Riot's fault you're misunderstanding how the system works. You don't need Riot to change anything -- you just need to decide when you can't take one more game of support right now and change your role selection to bot/mid or whatever.

Whiteeye AvelynMar 18, 20161 votes

This is why we need teambuilder back most of the people who played it didn't mind the wait to play what they wanted. I can never get mid these days and is mostly locked in jungle cause god knows i still hate bot lane and top is just Hec,Daruis,Fiora,Quinn,Gangplank and Illaoi when shes not banned