Juggernaut's need a defense nerf.

Glîtchy·Apr 9, 2017·5 votes·660 views

Literally, a I was against resisted nearly everything with just and , how the hell are juggernauts balanced if they resist SO MUCH with so little defensive items?

43 Comments

l Dárius lApr 9, 20172 votes

If they nerf juggernauts tank stats they need to buff there movespeed and tenacity.

GlîtchyApr 9, 20173 votes

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If they nerf juggernauts tank stats they need to buff there movespeed and tenacity.

I'd rather deal with that vs never dying and having high damage output.

l Dárius lApr 9, 20171 votes

There damage wouldn't change. And no, you don't want to deal with that. Inless you wan't every juggernaut to turn into Hecarim.

GlîtchyApr 9, 20172 votes

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There damage wouldn't change. And no, you don't want to deal with that. Inless you wan't every juggernaut to turn into Hecarim.

They don't have dashes like him so.... meh, I could live with that.

l Dárius lApr 9, 20171 votes

Lolwut I give up. Hecarim's e is hardly a dash and his ult has a high cooldown (particularly in the early game) and he normally doesn't need it for duels or even catching up to people. If the defensive capabilities of juggernauts was nerfed (for some reason) they would need there tenacity and movespeed seriously buffed and then they would be running everyone down without being easily kited like they are now and they would dodge everything that comes at them. And yes, almost every single juggernaut will have to go almost as fast as Hecarim to be viable.

Instead of asking for a worse version of the game you don't understand why don't you stop crying and learn the counterplay ever juggernaut with a 50% or higher winrate has.

GlîtchyApr 9, 20171 votes

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Lolwut I give up. Hecarim's e is hardly a dash and his ult has a high cooldown (particularly in the early game) and he normally doesn't need it for duels or even catching up to people. If the defensive capabilities of juggernauts was nerfed (for some reason) they would need there tenacity and movespeed seriously buffed and then they would be running everyone down without being easily kited like they are now and they would dodge everything that comes at them. And yes, almost every single juggernaut will have to go almost as fast as Hecarim to be viable.

Instead of asking for a worse version of the game you don't understand why don't you stop crying and learn the counterplay ever juggernaut with a 50% or higher winrate has.

Right, 'cause every Juggernaut besides Nasus is balanced, seriously Nasus is like the only one who is ONLY strong during late game.

EndlessSorcererApr 9, 20171 votes

Nasus isn't really that strong in the late-game. At that point, the enemy team has purchases their percentage penetration and fight as a group.

Nasus is rather prone to kiting and won't be getting many hits off before he dies to their DPS.

He is far stronger in the mid-game since his resistances matter at that point, small skirmishes are common and the enemy carries lack defenses.

l Dárius lApr 9, 20171 votes

Nasus isn't strong lategame when the perma cc from the enemy team leaves him with his e w and r as his only real practical abilities.

And Nasus is not balanced, because he is either doing nothing or he is doing half your hp with an autoattack reset. The only balanced juggernauts in the game are Darius, Renekton, Illaoi and Olaf (sorta) The rest are in a spot where they will be either completely broken or complete shit. Out of those 4 the only one who is somewhat unhealthy is Olaf because of his R and the way he can easily just kill you if he has 20%cdr and his an axe.

GlîtchyApr 9, 20171 votes

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Nasus isn't strong lategame when the perma cc from the enemy team leaves him with his e w and r as his only real practical abilities.

And Nasus is not balanced, because he is either doing nothing or he is doing half your hp with an autoattack reset. The only balanced juggernauts in the game are Darius, Renekton, Illaoi and Olaf (sorta) The rest are in a spot where they will be either completely broken or complete shit. Out of those 4 the only one who is somewhat unhealthy is Olaf because of his R and the way he can easily just kill you if he has 20%cdr and his an axe.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL lemme stop you there and tell you why that's bullshit.

Nasus:

Pros: tough to kill late game, has lifesteal with passive, goes full tank while dealing lots of damage

Cons: easily shutdown by Mortal reminder + Black Cleaver, REALLY weak early game, has MANY counters at top lane (Especially every Juggernaut but Garen), lacks mobility, relies heavily on his Q.

Darius:

Pros: strong early, mid and late game, does A TON of damage with even just 1 AD item and all tank, ult resets once it kills, passive secures kills very frequently, AoE lifesteal.

Cons: Lack of mobility.

l Dárius lApr 9, 20171 votes

All I got from that is you suck at kiting and the only balanced juggernaut has a negative winrate and is easily shutdown and kited (as if Darius isn't)

GlîtchyApr 9, 20171 votes

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All I got from that is you suck at kiting and the only balanced juggernaut has a negative winrate and is easily shutdown and kited (as if Darius isn't)

Notice how Nasus is literally the only juggernaut who has an abysmal early game? If all Juggernauts had sucky early game but great late game, then I'd be fine with them ALL.

l Dárius lApr 11, 20171 votes

Then there would be no reason to play juggernauts because everything else will beat them in lane and scale harder except assassins, tanks, divers, etc (which happens to be the other groups of melees) and scale just as hard (anything ranged)

GlîtchyApr 11, 20171 votes

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Then there would be no reason to play juggernauts because everything else will beat them in lane and scale harder except assassins, tanks, divers, etc (which happens to be the other groups of melees) and scale just as hard (anything ranged)

The less Juggernauts used, the better, like I said, Juggernauts should be better during late game but AWFUL early, literally Nasus is the ONLY balanced Juggernaut.

MissingKayoApr 9, 20172 votes

Learn to play.

XavanicApr 9, 20171 votes

Their balanced in the fact they don't have any form of dash, kite them and your good

GlîtchyApr 9, 20171 votes

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Their balanced in the fact they don't have any form of dash, kite them and your good

Yeah only Gnar and Vayne are good kiting top laners, but I don't play them.

XavanicApr 9, 20171 votes

Skirmishers > Juggarnauts, learn someone like Fiora, Kled, Warwick, Quinn, etc., all you need to do is trade then get out, once you get a bit of a lead its not much to deal with, If you refuse to adapt and learn something to counter them, then play safe

GlîtchyApr 9, 20171 votes

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Skirmishers > Juggarnauts, learn someone like Fiora, Kled, Warwick, Quinn, etc., all you need to do is trade then get out, once you get a bit of a lead its not much to deal with, If you refuse to adapt and learn something to counter them, then play safe

Right, cause Garen's bs true damage is fair, Darius' bleed + resetting ult is fair, Illaoi healing every time the tentacles hit is fair, explain where these are balanced? Plus kiting as a melee champ is suicide.

XavanicApr 9, 20171 votes

I have literally stomped every one of these champs MULTIPLE times with kled, Darius and Garen are by far the easiest (illoai is a little harder but still fairly easy) literally just play aggro against these champs early game with a skirmisher as they rely on their abilites to deal damage (FYI Garen is a terrible champion) while most Skirmishers have MUCH stronger sustained damage (kled Q, W, Fiora Q E, Warwick Q, W)

oSEXYPLATYPUSoApr 9, 20171 votes

well garen has high hp pool regen and damage reduction on W with scaling armor/mr on W for csing

GlîtchyApr 9, 20172 votes

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well garen has high hp pool regen and damage reduction on W with scaling armor/mr on W for csing

a regen boosting passive, always a good idea to give to a bastard choice champ.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoApr 9, 20173 votes

your mad cuz you are bad and stuck in bronze

i have tried to help you before

GlîtchyApr 9, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mA1mxTP4,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-04-09T07:03:40.581+0000)

your mad cuz you are bad and stuck in bronze

i have tried to help you before

But you were rude at the same time, I see no reason to listen to a scumbag.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoApr 9, 20171 votes

dont listen. regardless im right

GlîtchyApr 9, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mA1mxTP4,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-09T07:23:25.037+0000)

dont listen. regardless im right

So you'd rather be "right" and a dick vs. "right" and kind? Good logic.

[zombie-brand-clap]

oSEXYPLATYPUSoApr 9, 20171 votes

how am i being a dick? cuz im being straight forward ?

GlîtchyApr 9, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mA1mxTP4,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-09T07:31:25.157+0000)

how am i being a dick? cuz im being straight forward ?

Well telling someone they "suck" at something instead of trying to ACTUALLY help is being a dick.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoApr 9, 20171 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-i3BPyi-q4

GlîtchyApr 9, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mA1mxTP4,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-09T14:21:41.906+0000)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-i3BPyi-q4

Yeah a movie quote isn't a compelling argument.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoApr 9, 20171 votes

you just are too thicked skulled

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

GlîtchyApr 9, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mA1mxTP4,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-09T14:32:43.101+0000)

you just are too thicked skulled

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

There you go again with the insults.

Irelia BotApr 9, 20171 votes

Juggernauts

Because top lane needed to have rock paper scissors where ranged beat Juggernauts, Juggernauts beat Divers and Divers beat Ranged usually.

ChønklordApr 9, 20171 votes

Garden is in such a shit place right now. Sounds more like you just either entered a bad matchup or you weren't itemizing properly. Rush Liandry and morello and watch garen cry as you kite him to death.

GlîtchyApr 9, 20172 votes

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Garden is in such a shit place right now. Sounds more like you just either entered a bad matchup or you weren't itemizing properly. Rush Liandry and morello and watch garen cry as you kite him to death.

I rushed Void staff and Liandry's as Heimer

ChønklordApr 9, 20172 votes

There's your problem. Heimer is in a shittier place than garen right now. Kite kite kite is all you can do. He will spin through your turrets like paper. Rush part of Liandry then finish morello, then rush rylai's. Rylai's is almost crucial on heimer now. You can also try experimenting with tank heimer builds that give you more survivability but still deal damage over time. You'lol need full scaling hp yellows, and lots of armor.

FrightningApr 9, 20171 votes

Should've gone item 3157 +( item 3020 maybe item 3089 then) item 3135 . is super important on Heimerdinger, especially top lane, since you need to stall so your turrets and dish out the pain versus someone tanky like Garen .

BeatzBoyFTWApr 9, 20171 votes

So you brought Heimerdinger top lane, and you're complaining about Garen.

What the fuck

GlîtchyApr 9, 20172 votes

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So you brought Heimerdinger top lane, and you're complaining about Garen.

What the fuck

I was first pick of the game, I looked up the matchup and it said Heimer shreds Garen.

fuffychanApr 9, 20171 votes

Dont forget he reduces your armor to literally 0 with one item item 3071 and pressing E

If you somehow survive click R for 1k true damage

"outplayed"

GlîtchyApr 9, 20171 votes

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Dont forget he reduces your armor to literally 0 with one item and pressing E

If you somehow survive click R for 1k true damage

"outplayed"

Ikr,

"Watch my skillz with Riven/Kat/Darius/Garen/Yi" rolls face on keyboard MECHANICZ!!!!

Big LincolnApr 9, 20171 votes

it's hilarious that you picked heimer and complain about Garen

even more hilarious that you're bitching about MUH MECHANICZ in another post in this thread when you played fucking heimer

oSEXYPLATYPUSoApr 9, 20171 votes

he went 0-6 vs garen

https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Lyseth

GlîtchyApr 9, 20171 votes

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it's hilarious that you picked heimer and complain about Garen

even more hilarious that you're bitching about MUH MECHANICZ in another post in this thread when you played fucking heimer

Do you see me bragging about winning when I play Heimer? I literally never brag about winning with a low skill champ.

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he went 0-6 vs garen

https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Lyseth

The jg and mid lane got involved in 4 of those kills, he just did the finishing blow