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Daily reminder: Lux sits at 54% win rate and has INSANE ratios

Cherysse··12 votes·1,428 views

170 damage on passive plus 20%, add range to that and the ability to kill without poking, at least Morgana takes risks.

With her team up front, she is unkillable until she fucks up, and my problem is one, lets compare her with other mages "like" her:

Morgana: her Q has a good range and the CC is really HORRIBLE, but at least she has to come close to use her W and ult, her Q is really slow and it can only catch 1 target.

Xerath : he cc's himself to poke, his ratios are good but he doesn't have the burst capacity lux has to land a kill, he has to poke before killing, his ult is easy to dodge and there is a lot of room to dodge it properly, while Lux can land her Q through minions and her ult deals almost the same or more damage than Xerath's ult with almost the same range and in 1 burst. Xerath in the other hand is a lot easier to catch! just wait till he ults and he will be heavily distracted! go kill him, seriusly.

Ziggs : his poke is really good, but he has received nerfs even when his pick ratio and win ratio is not that high, he needs to poke before killing and only one of his base abilities can be used to poke and can be easily dodged. He also has to come close to use an AA to proc his passive.

unlike Lux which just needs to land an ult for 670 BASE damage plus 95% plus LUDENS 100 + 10% AP, total 770 BASE damage, + 105% AP, PLUS THUNDERLORD, PLUS % DAMAGE MASTERIES!!!... oh yeah, did I mention that she usually doesn't even build Sorcs because her base damage is so massive that she doesn't give a fuck, she will just exploit her ridiculous cooldowns and wave clears

32 Comments

HyperSMB6 votes

She is good. Not OP.

If she is close enough and safe enough to Auto you for her passive, which is a big part of her damage, you screwed up.

blfUvZ8Ybu4 votes

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She is good. Not OP.

If she is close enough and safe enough to Auto you for her passive, which is a big part of her damage, you screwed up.

Malz, Pant, Naut, Janna are good Lux is op.Because play rate.

I hope you understood or you continue protecting op champion?

HyperSMB3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=m9EJ5uv8,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-02-23T00:20:49.569+0000)

Malz, Pant, Naut, Janna are good Lux is op.Because play rate.

I hope you understood or you continue protecting op champion?

To be frank, I don't play or care about her. I'm just not sure why all the sudden she is OP vs all the other times. She hasn't been changed recently, maybe not even within a year. The Mage items helped a little, Ludens is nice, but I am not convinced that this version of Lux is suddenly OP.

Just like I don't think Ali is OP...just braindead easy to play.

blfUvZ8Ybu3 votes

{quoted}

To be frank, I don't play or care about her. I'm just not sure why all the sudden she is OP vs all the other times. She hasn't been changed recently, maybe not even within a year. The Mage items helped a little, Ludens is nice, but I am not convinced that this version of Lux is suddenly OP.

Just like I don't think Ali is OP...just braindead easy to play.

Did you look last buffs? Lux was fine before last and unnecessary buffs.She took a lot buffs.Did you follow patch notes?

If you want, I can write Lux buffs.

HyperSMB3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=m9EJ5uv8,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-23T00:24:57.805+0000)

Did you look last buffs? Lux was fine before last and unnecessary buffs.She took a lot buffs.Did you follow patch notes?

Normally pretty closely, though I do only skim the ones not related to support. I must have missed whatever her last buffs were. The last one I remember was being able to pre-prime E to detonate the instant it reached the destination.

blfUvZ8Ybu7 votes

{quoted}

Normally pretty closely, though I do only skim the ones not related to support. I must have missed whatever her last buffs were. The last one I remember was being able to pre-prime E to detonate the instant it reached the destination.

W animation buff, e area buff, q second target and second damage buff.

HyperSMB5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=m9EJ5uv8,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-23T00:27:31.589+0000)

W animation buff, e area buff, q second target and second damage buff.

Well then, I stand corrected.

TIL Lux got buffed hard while I wasn't paying attention.

Cherysse3 votes

And prior to that she got her passive buffed so that now it scales with 20% AP.... add masteries of % damage and Thunderlord to the equation, plus Ludens.

5050BS3 votes

Ya its stupid

Riot really has 12 year olds doing balance......

Xicashina4 votes

There was a buff that made the second binded target to be full length binded instead of half

Professor Ward3 votes

{quoted}

To be frank, I don't play or care about her. I'm just not sure why all the sudden she is OP vs all the other times. She hasn't been changed recently, maybe not even within a year. The Mage items helped a little, Ludens is nice, but I am not convinced that this version of Lux is suddenly OP.

Just like I don't think Ali is OP...just braindead easy to play.

lets be honest, over half of the roster is braindead easy to play after 5 games on em.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

Azir would like to have a talk >:D

YCitizenSnipsY2 votes

"She hasn't been changed recently, maybe not even within a year."

Is this a joke, or do you not know she was buffed several patches in a row last year that lead to her being the most picked mid lane champion.

TekkenPlayer6 votes

Coming from a Lux main, the E diameter is too large. The only way I actually missed was vs a scripter in ranked. I think that the ratios however should not be touched. If you got hit with a binding, it's your fault.

blfUvZ8Ybu2 votes

{quoted}

Coming from a Lux main, the E diameter is too large. The only way I actually missed was vs a scripter in ranked. I think that the ratios however should not be touched. If you got hit with a binding, it's your fault.

Senpai you teach Lux to me please. :)

TekkenPlayer2 votes

I think you already know how to play Lux. The way to bear with the oppressive strategies Lux players use is to rush Athene's, roa, and abyssal. Also run TP. Stand near minion waves so that the lane automatically pushes out so your jungler will have an easy gank. Gragas and J4 stomp her

Cherysse2 votes

Yes, if she doesn't see them first (J4, Gragas, Malphite).... the only one I think can kill her porperly is Noc, but he is underplayed... and maybe Pantheon, if he has a Banshees, a QSS, because if she sees his ult she will just throw her Q to his damn helmet face.

In the other hand her ratios should be touched, or her base damage, or BOTH.

blfUvZ8Ybu3 votes

Finally everyone understands this absurdity.

Lux is op and nobody can deny this.

Cherysse4 votes

With her team up front, she is unkillable until she fucks up, and my problem is one, lets compare her with other mages "like" her:

Morgana: her Q has a good range and the CC is really HORRIBLE, but at least she has to come close to use her W and ult, her Q is really slow and it can only catch 1 target.

Xerath : he cc's himself to poke, his ratios are good but he doesn't have the burst capacity lux has to land a kill, he has to poke before killing, his ult is easy to dodge and there is a lot of room to dodge it properly, while Lux can land her Q through minions and her ult deals almost the same or more damage than Xerath's ult with almost the same range and in 1 burst. Xerath in the other hand is a lot easier to cath! just wait till he ults and he will be heavily distracted! go kill him, seriusly.

Ziggs : his poke is really good, but he has received nerfs even when his pick ratio and win ratio is not that high, he needs to poke before killing and only one of his base abilities can be used to poke and can be easily dodged. He also has to come close to use an AA to proc his passive.

unlike Lux which just needs to land an ult for 670 BASE damage plus 95% plus LUDENS 100 + 10% AP, total 770 BASE damage, + 105% AP, PLUS THUNDERLORD, PLUS % DAMAGE MASTERIES!!!... oh yeah, did I mention that she usually doesn't even build Sorcs because her base damage is so massive that she doesn't give a fuck, she will just exploit her ridiculous cooldowns and wave clears

Rem Was Here3 votes

Just play morgana then to counter her, as she does what lux does but better, no need to be complaining all the time about it.

blfUvZ8Ybu3 votes

Lux mains fear.Because they know Lux is op champion.They don't want nerfs because free elo.

Shortly everyone is aware.

AnonymousPoro3 votes

She needs some nerfs to the ratios on her passive, the slow strength on her E, and she needs a higher CD for her E or Ult.

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

{quoted}

She needs some nerfs to the ratios on her passive, the slow strength on her E, and she needs a higher CD for her E or Ult.

I was surprised, you accepted. But why did you downvote this thread?

Classic Lux main.

AnonymousPoro2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=m9EJ5uv8,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2016-02-23T00:43:34.755+0000)

I was surprised, you accepted. But why did you downvote this thread?

Classic Lux main.

I didn't downvote it. I agreed with you that she needs nerfs.

And I'm an Ahri main, not a Lux main.

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

{quoted}

I didn't downvote it. I agreed with you that she needs nerfs.

And I'm an Ahri main, not a Lux main.

Then my thread? :)

You didn't accept my ideas other threads.

AnonymousPoro3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=m9EJ5uv8,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-23T00:58:05.433+0000)

Then my thread? :)

You didn't accept my ideas other threads.

Because some of your other threads, at the time, I didn't agree with. But now I do. But there was no need to see her gutted. Just tweaked a bit to where she isn't so oppressive, and yet, so safe at the same time.

5050BS3 votes

Her Passive damage is STUPID

She Q lands >W trips passive >R trips passive So that is Q+W+Passive+R+Passive damage

Calabok3 votes

i agree, Buff Lux

blfUvZ8Ybu2 votes

{quoted}

i agree, Buff Lux

Bad troll.Fail.

blfUvZ8Ybu2 votes

25% play rate isn't normal for mid lane champion.Because the game has 35-40 mid lane champion.Even Zed, Ahri, Yasuo have 15% play rate.

Cindikle2 votes

You're viewing her wrong for one thing.

Ziggs and Xerath are siege mages. They do not combo you to death, nor are they meant to. They CAN pull it off. But overall they poke you down before finishing you off. Lux out damages them because she is not a siege mage.

Lux is a long range combo mage. So you need to compare her to other combo mages and compare the damage/utility between them.

But first, lets compare what makes them as such.

Siege mage: Uses very long range magic from a safe point before finishing a target off. This means this spell must be spammable and low cooldown. Combo mage: Will cast a spell to catch a target before unloading their kit on them. Must have spells that work well together or amplify each other.

Lux's E has a mana cost of 130 with a 10s CD Her E reaches a max of 1450 range. Vel'Koz's Q has a mana cost of 60 with a 7s CD and can reach a range of 1521 with proper aiming. Zigg's Q has a mana cost of 70 with a 4s CD and can reach a range of 1520 Xerath's Q has a mana cost of 120 with a 5s CD and can reach a range of 1400. Has built in mana sustain.

Lux's CD is very long compared to siege mages. And using her like a siege mage will drain her mana very fast.

Lux (One passive proc, extra procs are just bonuses): 1154 base+2.25xAP. Proc is 154+0.20xAP if you are able to AA after you R. Morgana (Will not factor in pool bonus damage, will assume minimum damage) 1300 base+2.00xAP Annie (Will assume 3 bear aoe hitsand 1 shield reflect, will not include bear attack damage) 1075 base+3.25xAP Brand (Will assume 2 ult hits but no passive damage) 1405 base+2.80xAP Edit: Forgot to factor in W bonus damage, but 2nd ult hit should be enough. Karma 1045 base+2.40xAP Lissandra 1020 base+2.35xAP Malzahar (Will just up his numbers by 20% for the pool) 1404 base+3.48xAP Orianna (Will assume 2 AA hits) 1020 base+2.53xAP Syndra (Will assume 5 orbs) 1654.5 base+2.79xAP Zyra (Will assume 6 plant hits) 1600 base+3.05xAP

Nothing about Lux's damage is insane base or scaling. Throw in a second passive proc and she becomes above average at best. Only thing that makes Lux a problem is that her E has no counterplay. Even though it's a skill shot. Unless you already have mobility or high movement it will very likely hit you. It is a free trade for her. If you try to fight back she shields and moves away. AA's you for a passive proc. Lands a Q. Passive.

Lux's problem is that every trade starts with her already ahead too far. Takes too much to dodge. And with her passive and shield trying to trade back easily hurts you more.

Reverting the E change is also not a choice. It was done for a reason. So they have a few choices:

  • Reduce the radius to something more acceptable. Likely have to compensate somewhere.
  • Reduce the missile speed.
  • Make it deal less damage on the edge and not proc passive. But they would have to compensate her with a higher center damage.
  • Have it grow from the center like Cass's E.
  • Be more creative than me and find a better solution.

Any of this would help the problem. But most will require compensation.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

Lux just needs a nerf to her rank 1-4 snare duration for Q, lower her W's projectile speed and range by 1 teemo then lower her E projectile speed. Hurts her utility without gutting her and everyone's happy.

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