Assasins get way too much shit

feintfiend··10 votes·2,265 views

Yes, electrocute was overpowered but I think in there's way too much stigma against assasins. There are tons of items that make mages tankier and harder to kill. item 3027 item 3165 item 3151 item 3157 item 3116 item 2065 item 3102 ADCs have item 3026

The boards and reddit are overwhelmingly mage and ADC mains who downvote anything that doesn't fit their echo chamber.

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HP Crookshanks9 votes

item 3155 item 3139 item 3111 item 3047 item 3046 item 3071 item 3072

OtterlyLost6 votes

They dont get enough shit. And they have tons of defensive items. Redmercy is literally winning at d1/master elo on Zed with steraks and deaths dance. Assassins have access to so many health and resist items such as:

item 3026 item 3812 item 3053 item 3156 item 3139 item 3071 item 3814

And that's not even touching on how many of them can build tabis or mercs and not sacrifice anything for it. Mages would sacrifice mag pen and ADCs loose AS. Assassins? Nothing.

Pika Fox2 votes

You lose more AD and CDR on a role who is designed to be good early and pretty bad later. Assassins lose a lot opting for defensive options and get the same trade off everyone else does.

OtterlyLost4 votes

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You lose more AD and CDR on a role who is designed to be good early and pretty bad later. Assassins lose a lot opting for defensive options and get the same trade off everyone else does.

You dont lose any AD, what do you mean. All of those items have AD on them. And BC and deaths dance and maw have CDR. But sure, they give up tons for building slightly tankier. With a build like item 3147 item 3142 item 3071 item 3156 item 3026 item 3047 or item 3111 , they dont get 245 bonus AD, 18 to 36 lethality, 20% armor shred, 400 health, 50% CDR(you actually break the cap), 75 bonus MR or 65 bonus armor depending on their boot choice. This isn't even touching on all of the neat passives and shit on these items that give them more utility than they need.

Pika Fox1 votes

If you build hexdrinker, youre giving up completing a full item early. Hexdrinker has less damage than any comparable alternatives to it. Similarly, the damage of maw vs a damage item like Duskblade, Youmuus, or even BC is far lower. Likewise, Duskblade gives extra up front damage at the cost of CDR, HP and AR shred that BC provides or movespeed youmuus provides.

GA gives up a lot of AD for the passive.

LTK KoRo1 votes

I totally agree, Riot should add Lethality boots to the game. You're blaming assassins for not having any good boots choice for their class, and this is just stupid

SmallCheeseCake4 votes

YES

MrHaZeYo4 votes

Do assassins not use GA?

WalkingInACircle3 votes

Nerf ignite damage. Buff barrier duration. Nerf hexdrinker. New ap/armor item. Nerf Duskbreaker. Nerf Leblanc. Buff Viktor.

Frosted Tips1 votes

Yes, No, Already did, Maybe, Arguably redesign the item, Sure, and Yes

HéntaiSénpai3 votes

So you say assassin's get to much shit but say with Zed, you build Duskblade, Ghostblade, LDR, EoN and Sudden Impact, you bring a squshies BASE armor (without GA) to approximately (give or take per champion base stats) -12 which means you're doing more damage that what your ability states at level 18. As with mages (without the ability to use sudden Impact) with Morello's, and Sorc shoes, and void staff, Zed's base MR goes down to only 2. And mages with sudden Impact proc, well, guess what they're assassin's pretty much. Dropping MR to approx -8, I'm talking Diana, LB, Zoe (she's a burst mage who plays like an assassin), Akali, Ekko, Fizz, Kassadin, etc. So yes, assassin's are BS. And the reason is bc of Sudden Impact. It needs to be like the old mastery and apply it to everyone who takes it. Not just certain champs who have specific abilities. Not to mention their are items assassin's use to be tanky as well: item 3814 item 3071 item 3156 item 3053

JackMcSnipeyz3 votes

What stops assassins from buying GA? Or Maw? Assassin's items are already the cheapest and spike the fastest, i'm pretty sure you can fit GA into your build way before most marksmen and bruisers.

deadlychuck2 votes

Probably because assassins didn't use to exist in the game and really have no reason to exist. They don't fill any particular role, they just act like a fucking fighter that stacked all damage items. Then just abuse their under valued kit budgets to survive.

Literally the assassin fantasy is just a youtube highlight reel or smurf account, embodied into a class so people can feel like they're on a power trip.

SithesisLord1 votes

Electrocute was part of the problem.

The other parts are Duskblade's existence and overbuffed Ignite.

LTK KoRo1 votes

Let's remove Duskblade and add its damage proc back to assassins kit, like it was before assassins update, that sounds fair for me

SithesisLord1 votes

No. Let´s remove Duskblade and SLOWLY, CAREFULLY buff the damage numbers on Assassin RATIOS only. Without adding anything else.

Ultimate Deadpoo1 votes

I'd say just remove the damage part of Duskblade, increase it's lethality and damage slightly, and if assassins are too weak after that, buff their damage ratios. As a Rengar main myself, I don't like how reliant assassins are on Duskblade to actually work.

LTK KoRo1 votes

Ooh, so maybe, we could give Zed back his 5% bonus AD per point of Living Shadow?

If you want to remove Duskblade and then buff scalings, you need to buff reliable abilities, since Duskblade proc is very reliable. Stuff like Rengar Q, Talon Q, Zed E, Kha Q, Shaco E.

Or we just could revert Assassins update and call it a day, it created more problems than it fixed

Colton1471 votes

Purchase item 1033 to invalidate all AP champions and Corki.

After magic penetration, build item 1028 to invalidate.

Hayaishi1 votes

Okay so i have to spend my gold on inefficient items to stay alive which class makes assassins do the same?

LTK KoRo1 votes

item 3155item 3156 because assassins never buy it, right? Boards are complaining how assassins buy this item and proceed to never die in lane, so uh, here you go, inefficient item for assassins.

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