Yorick needs these changes to be good again

feintfiend··45 votes·13,264 views

1.Give him a real passive, his current one might as well not exist 2.Make his wall (W) ground so he can deal with hypermobile champions just ignoring this ability 3.Maiden CD begins on cast, not on her death 4.Revert the ghoul nerfs that happened 3 months ago to cater to Bronze 3 to Bronze 5

My favorite champ has been a underpowered for far too long

79 Comments

CHEWYARMS17 votes

No grounding please, they would nerf his damage.... Again.

I suggest instead, champions that dash over the wall instead of breaking it are slowed.

But yeah riot needs to revert the lastest ghoul nerf.

Senteth2 votes

Slowed and damaged.

Z3Sleeper7 votes

Slowed is fine. Honestly as a Yorick main he feels pretty alright right now. All he really needs is his ghouls back for the early game but that's never gonna happen.

So maybe instead of touching damage whatsoever we let us use our W more often instead of 20 seconds at rank 1.

If it was changed from 20/18/16/14/12 ==> 16/15/14/13/12 I'd be happy with it.

Or mana cost reductions. W and E cost a ton for how small his mana pool is. Using them twice is enough to make you go oom.

I just find it strange how our minor utility spells have such high costs and cooldowns.

CHEWYARMS2 votes

Haha although I wouldn't mind watching yasuo's kill themselves while trying to dash out of the wall.

PhearBunny12 votes

I feel like old Yorick would be good nowadays. Manaflow band, he could probably get away with only building 1 mana item. Deaths Dance would be really strong on him.

feintfiend3 votes

I never got to play old yorick but new Yorick is so satisfying to play apart from his ghouls being so undertuned

LordGeovanni4 votes

Deaths dance wouldnt work on Already summoned minions attacking (just like now) only on the initial spell cast.

BLIGHTBRINGER9 votes

The fact that Yasuo can dash over Yorick (W) Wall has to be the most bullshit interaction I have ever seen.

y0r1ck11 votes

Irelia q on ghouls is worse....

suƒi2 votes

Urgot mains bind their Laugh + W against yorick

y0r1ck3 votes

At least urgot w doesn't reset after killing your whole kit lol

Pastor Yorick3 votes

Urgot : W oneshots all your ghouls Irelia : Your ghouls are basiclly free health for her and a dash for her Mordekaiser : Ghouls count as champions on this guy for some reason so he gets free +150 healing with his W on them Graves : 1 aa kills all your ghouls because of shotgun shells

Try these buddy

BLIGHTBRINGER1 votes

Poor Yorick lol

LordGeovanni8 votes

He needs his ghouls to not take 1.75-2 seconds after being summoned to start moving and attacking.

iamthegoatofwar5 votes

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He needs his ghouls to not take 1.75-2 seconds after being summoned to start moving and attacking.

They need to leap too on marked targets. Had an issue with marking not triggering the leap for no real reason.

y0r1ck4 votes

These are known bugs.

iamthegoatofwar6 votes

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These are known bugs.

Which stands to reason that it should be fixed. I ALWAYS notice when it happens. It is a MAJOR bug.

y0r1ck1 votes

Eh when it happens it's rarely enough to lose lane off of. I wouldn't call it a major bug, since I don't even see it that often. Using all caps like that just makes u look butthurt btw

iamthegoatofwar2 votes

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Eh when it happens it's rarely enough to lose lane off of. I wouldn't call it a major bug, since I don't even see it that often. Using all caps like that just makes u look butthurt btw

Uh no it makes sure that people get the point. Don't assume that because I caps'ed a few words people think I'm butthurt. It makes you look bad to say someone is butthurt when they bring up a valid point

y0r1ck1 votes

If your point is valid, then you don't need all caps. Normal grammar will suffice.

PB4UAME1 votes

I find caps are often employed to service for a lil' something called EMPHASIS.

Curiously enough, the majority of meaning inferred from communication in face-to-face exchanges is non-verbal, including such things as posture, stance, where you're looking, what you're wearing, how close you are to the person you are talking to, where you are, what groups or ethnicity you or they belong to, or think each other belongs to etc etc.

When you're using a text format solely to talk to strangers who may or may not even speak your language as a first language, while you can see nothing of their body nor how they react, you're already losing out on that ENTIRE NON-VERBAL component.

But then, you additionally want to strip down spoken words with pacing, flow, emphasis, tonality, accents, etc, ALL of which provide additional detail and nuance to whatever is being conveyed; strip them down simply to their mere alphabetizations themselves? Leaving NOTHING behind to replace or imply that meaning?

Surely you jest, good sir.

Power Of Demacia7 votes

I feel you man. Yorick's quote: "Remember my name, for one day, you will not." So sad that no one cares about how bad Yorick is now.

y0r1ck3 votes

I* will not Haha

RisenFromTheAsh6 votes

Grounding is really strong, if you got fed you could condemn people to death by catching them with the wall. Maybe it should only ground if Yorick is in the ring with them? Sort of a "You're trapped in here with me"

DragonShea5 votes

Here is a list of changes that I'd like to see on Yorick:

  1. Make his Q's Heal scale with his Max HP. If Yorick builds HP he gets diminishing returns from the healing.

  2. Make his W ground and reduce damage done by anyone inside the wall.

  3. Give Yorick a proper passive, add his current passive to his Q and make his auto attacks deal increased DoT damage, called Touch of the mists.

  4. Give his ult the ability to him or force her down a lane.

Rıots Bad Client5 votes

what if his W didn't Ground, But did a unique effect .

Either where And all Dash And blinks are reduced by half of the distance. For example, Ezreals Blink is 750, If he uses his blink while in the wall. It'll only go 375.

OR It will auto apply effect of his E IF they use a mobility ability. So if they Use a Flash within your wall to escape (Depending On the level of your E) so It will Slow them for a % while making the ghouls agro.

PhearBunny4 votes

Old Yorick was fun.

Q-AA reset+bonus damage+Spawns a ghoul that deals a lot of damage.

W-Point and click, mid range, magic damage poke that steals life, spawns a ghoul that deals medium damage, and heals you when it attacks.

E- mid range, circle skill shot that slows and deals damage to enemies, spawns a ghoul that deals damage and slows nearby enemies.

R-A Mordekaiser ultimate for your teammates or yourself.

Everything except R was on like a 5second CD so he would just spam the crap out of everything.

LordGeovanni6 votes

you got W and E mixed up/

GodlyBane4 votes

i feel like your missing the fact that he can absolutely shit stomp and solo carry up to nexus turrets in bronze - gold if played right...

y0r1ck2 votes

Yes the op is missing this. His suggestions are mostly ridiculous. Though I think something most people didn't think about is that yorick rewards pushing objectives more than other champions, that could be why his winrate is high in low elo. Low elo is known for being bad at dealing with split pushers.

y0r1ck4 votes

Im glad u raised this point btw, hope more ppl see this and think about it.

MorgManBasher4 votes

Yorick is embarrassingly bad and the fact they keep nerfing him is just insane to me lmao The "bug fix" he got last just adding yet another nerf to champion no one plays because it's horribly underpowered.

ValiantKiller2 votes

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Yorick is embarrassingly bad and the fact they keep nerfing him is just insane to me lmao The "bug fix" he got last just adding yet another nerf to champion no one plays because it's horribly underpowered.

That was under the hood nerf, they know that and they wanted that to happen.

ZerglingOne3 votes

How about instead of grounding, have the edge be like Poppy's w. Blocking dashes, but only allowing blinks through. Sort of a half grounding.

Also, before I stopped playing, pure life steal yorick was one of my favorite things I've ever played in LoL. All of his ghouls and the lady benefit him with his life steal. Build like... One defensive item (ZZrot) and then all life steal items item 3512 item 3047 item 3074 item 3080 item 3153 item 3139

Alternatively you can go item 3065 item 3026 instead of ZZrot mercurial.

Most fun build ever. Even if it's not especially effective sometimes.

suƒi2 votes

Life steam doesn't work on ghouls neither does Deathsdance. New DD does give him healing off Maiden's dmg.

MadViking3 votes

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1.Give him a real passive, his current one might as well not exist 2.Make his wall (W) ground so he can deal with hypermobile champions just ignoring this ability 3.Maiden CD begins on cast, not on her death 4.Revert the ghoul nerfs that happened 3 months ago to cater to Bronze 3 to Bronze 5

My favorite champ has been a underpowered for far too long

Absolutely.

His current passive should be built into his Q and R, and replaced with something that actually impacts the champ and the game.

Rabbi Shekelberg3 votes

S-U-R-V-I-V-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y you can't let a juggernaut with no waveclear, no mobility and unreliable DPS and CC to rely on garbage two digit healing on Q casts

The Trent2 votes

I honestly think the ground idea is amazing. It would make him so much better in teamfights. I do think Damage nerfs would be in order though because honestly sometimes it feels like his Q does as much as Nasus's without actually having to stack it lol. I'm all for making Yorick a better team fighter and less of a split pusher. I'm sick of winning a teamfight but then at least 2 people have to go back before yorick destroys our base. It's highkey anti fun.

y0r1ck6 votes

As a yorick main im against wall grounding. It's already a fairly strong ability, removing the ability to flash out will make it op. Yorick has fat damage with q, but doesn't have the same uptime on his ability to duel that nasus has. Nasus q also scales better. Yorick does come online sooner.

The Trent4 votes

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As a yorick main im against wall grounding. It's already a fairly strong ability, removing the ability to flash out will make it op. Yorick has fat damage with q, but doesn't have the same uptime on his ability to duel that nasus has. Nasus q also scales better. Yorick does come online sooner.

I was suggesting the literal wall part being grounded, not the middle of it. This would allow you to use blinks to get out (Flash, Kat, Ezreal, Ekko could get out for example) but like a veigar wall, if you tried to jump out with for example an Aatrox e or Nid w, you would be stopped. You could still jump around in the middle.

y0r1ck2 votes

This is different. I still think it'll eat into his budget and I don't like the idea of compensation nerfs, but it could work. Thanks for clarifying.

SwiftKitten882 votes

if u want to buff yorik then answer me this...

if i am not the top laner fighting against him.

if i am a support, an squishy AP mid, or an jungler like Nidalee

tell me how to stop him from splitting.

im not talking about "oh dont let him get to a poiunt were he has a item 3078 .. im asking you...

becuase i LITERALLY have NO FUCKING IDEA HOW TO STOP HIM.

if u want to buff him... tell me how i can defend my tower vs him

and yeah i get that in the top 10% of players his winrate goes down to 48.9%

if u cant tell me how to stop him... and how to do what u want without increasing his winrate above 53% in ANY elo

ill make an exception for iron and bronze but those should go above 54%

tell me that... convince me... and i'll agree to your buffs.

but there isnt a single champion i play that i have any fucking clue how to stop a yorik from pushing on.

thats the thing about "splitpushers". there has to be a WAY TO STOP THEM.

if i can make to to the tower BEFORE he gets there... i should be able to defend it...

maybe not as support... but as any other class if he isnt fed... it should be doable.

tell me how to stop him spiltting. and i will be all for your minimal buffs that keep him in an acceptable range"

becuase i understand that in higher elo he could potentially use some SLIGHT buffs.

but even as he is now... there isnt jack shit i can do to stop even a 0 kill Yorick after he gets item 3078 on Nidalee Warwick or any other champion i play

The Trent6 votes

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if u want to buff yorik then answer me this...

if i am not the top laner fighting against him.

if i am a support, an squishy AP mid, or an jungler like Nidalee

tell me how to stop him from splitting.

im not talking about "oh dont let him get to a poiunt were he has a item 3078 .. im asking you...

becuase i LITERALLY have NO FUCKING IDEA HOW TO STOP HIM.

if u want to buff him... tell me how i can defend my tower vs him

and yeah i get that in the top 10% of players his winrate goes down to 48.9%

if u cant tell me how to stop him... and how to do what u want without increasing his winrate above 53% in ANY elo

ill make an exception for iron and bronze but those should go above 54%

tell me that... convince me... and i'll agree to your buffs.

but there isnt a single champion i play that i have any fucking clue how to stop a yorik from pushing on.

thats the thing about "splitpushers". there has to be a WAY TO STOP THEM.

if i can make to to the tower BEFORE he gets there... i should be able to defend it...

maybe not as support... but as any other class if he isnt fed... it should be doable.

tell me how to stop him spiltting. and i will be all for your minimal buffs that keep him in an acceptable range"

becuase i understand that in higher elo he could potentially use some SLIGHT buffs.

but even as he is now... there isnt jack shit i can do to stop even a 0 kill Yorick after he gets item 3078 on Nidalee Warwick or any other champion i play

Uhhh, Yorick is one of those champions like Nasus who is best to deal with using chain cc and usually not alone. It's what makes the horrible and out of meta. The ability to be non stop juked.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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Uhhh, Yorick is one of those champions like Nasus who is best to deal with using chain cc and usually not alone. It's what makes the horrible and out of meta. The ability to be non stop juked.

so whats your saying... is... there is no way i cant stop him... from endlessly pushing... even if i sat there the whole game with my champ to try to stop him? even if he isnt fed.. unless i happen to be a fed person who counters him.

if that is indeed the case... WHY exactly does he need a buff? becuase if a champion takes chain CC and multiple champs to take him down.. i really cant see why that champion is in any sort of need of buffs.. thats screams he needs a redesign so he can do somthing other than bash his head in vs towers day in and day out, yet never be able to catch up to a target.

thats a bad design... that donest need buffs.

if the issue is he cant do anything but splitpush becuase he cant reach his target... but there isnt a damn thing u can do to stop him from splitting other than sending more than one person who leaves the rest of the map open for a 4v3.. THATS NOT A GOOD DESIGN!!!

THAT donest need buffs. that needs some durability trimmed down their ability to splitpush requiring them to at least be fed, and then give them some way to help the team in a way that isn't splitting.

... and that is what you seem to be describing

a "buff" isnt going to fix that, a buff is going to make him a fucking monster

y0r1ck3 votes

You can play mid champions with extraordinary waveclear so that your team can hold at a tower 3v4 and send 2 to deal with yorick, anivia zigga azir. Adcs like draven vayne kaisa are good at dealing with yorick. As a support you should pick hard engage to capitalize on a 4v5, rakan nami leona alistar. As a jungler you can pick a champ who can fight him 1v1 or you can pick a champ who will contribute to team fights, jax trynd yi or engage tanks.

Any specific questions feel free to ask.

Abuse me1 votes

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/yorick/euw/top/diamond

Your favorite champion is bouncing around 53% win rate in Diamond+ elo.

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/yorick/euw/top/gold

To me it seems your champion is completely fine.

ShirukuSama3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Abuse me,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OLI81ILq,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2018-12-15T11:46:26.169+0000)

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/yorick/euw/top/diamond

Your favorite champion is bouncing around 53% win rate in Diamond+ elo.

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/yorick/euw/top/gold

To me it seems your champion is completely fine.

Your post is misleading. You linked EUW stats meanwhile, Global is 47 %.

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/yorick/diamond

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/champion/Yorick/

Śhunpo1 votes

Just revert the Ghoul nerfs. Idk why they even did that in the first place besides catering to low elo players who have no idea what map rotations are and why protecting your lane is actually a positive thing.

Pastor Yorick3 votes

Riot games:"We do not balance the game around low elo." Also Riot games:"Yorick is too strong in low elo so we're nerfing him."

Why not nerf bronze stompers like Yi,Tryn,Teemo and Blitz while you're at it Riot? Don't be fooled,they nerf Yorick because he's not popular. An average player does not like playing against a champion who doesn't get into your face unload his kit to oneshot you,Riot knows this so they nerf him. Riot understand that the average player's tiny brain cannot comprehend his playstyle so they don't make Yorick good enough to be played against popular champions.

Śhunpo3 votes

Yorick didn't sell enough Arclight skins bois, better nerf him again.

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