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wanna know what i notice about champion "diversity" in the recent few patches?

FOR JUSTICE·Apr 4, 2019·3 votes·1,669 views

bot lane opens up to mages, bruisers, and some skirmishers as well as ADC's. everyone defends this saying yes, it shouldn't be just a role for marksmen champions. it should be open to whatever champions can viably play it.

and yet, every time i come on the boards in recent times, at least twice a day will i see a thread saying gut ranged champions out of top lane.... as if its only meant for melee tanks and bruisers. hell, even saw one thread saying we should balance teleport around melee champions.

this isn't really an argumentative post or what not, but i'm just throwing it out there how people on the boards complain about melee being oppressed by ranged matchups, and how they so called "don't belong in top lane" but 3-4 patches ago these very same people are asking to open up bot lane to other classes because lanes and jungle shouldnt be dominated by one type of champion.

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MordepoolApr 4, 20194 votes

Where is that Botlane diversity now?

Pretty much dead again. A few mages linger as a rare sight.

Melee vs Ranged is aids that's a fact. Its hard not to agree with the sentiment.

Ranged beat melee in an uninteractive 1 sided stat check.
It doesn't feel good, especially knowing that those marksmen will scale infinitely better than you.

So your chance at winning are Completely stripped from you. Melee get Zero agency lose late and lose early.

But please tell me again Ranged top is fine

FOR JUSTICEApr 4, 20192 votes

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Where is that Botlane diversity now?

Pretty much dead again. A few mages linger as a rare sight.

yes, adc's got partial reverts and are champions again. they never wanted to flat out boot them from botlane, just open it up. but then everyone hated that even more then just adc's, so riot put them back. literally at the majority's request. meanwhile toplane, no class has ever been completely booted.

Melee vs Ranged is aids that's a fact. Its hard not to agree with the sentiment.

this is true, 100%. it is cancer dealing with them and i dont in any way dispute this fact. but cancer =/= unbeatable

Ranged beat melee in an uninteractive 1 sided stat check.

ok this is where it gets touchy because its a pretty big misconception. melee champions, by default, do in fact have much higher base stats then ranged champions, thats just a fact. once you jump on to them at level 3 (when you can dispute the ranged discrepancy) you win the intial trade, but ONLY lose if they can retaliate as your backing off. so no, the stat check is in fact in the favor of the melee champion, not the ranged, unless in a direct counterpick.

It doesn't feel good, especially knowing that those marksmen will scale infinitely better than you.

not all marksmen scale harder then toplaners.

So your chance at winning are Completely stripped from you. Melee get Zero agency lose late and lose early.

they only lose if they dont trade into ranged disadvantages properly. and this doesn't change no matter if its toplane, midlane, or botlane (see every melee support)

But please tell me again Ranged top is fine

they are fine, because they were never a problem. citing op.gg:

the current top 15 toplaners are as follows:

Hecarim Riven Kayle Vladimir Jax Jayce Akali Vayne Irelia Yasuo Darius Maokai Chogath Olaf Illaoi

assuming you count hybrid champions as ranged anyway, thats an entire 4/15 champions that are ranged doing well in toplane. but of course, people seem to think ranged toplaners are actually a problem simply due to the negativity bias, they only remember when they get rofl stomped by the rare ranged matchup.

to cite u.gg:

Kayle Riven Jax Urgot Nasus Yorick Kennen Vayne Hecarim Garen Tryndamere Gangplank Teemo Camille Kled .

and again, assuming you count hybrid champions, thats an entire 5 champions, four of which have always been toplaners. the numbers dont lie, and they tell a much, much different story then the boards likes to complain about.

MordepoolApr 4, 20192 votes

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yes, adc's got partial reverts and are champions again.

They should partially revert those changes to base stats they got then.

they never wanted to flat out boot them from botlane,

Which never fucking happened, they were still played bot in 94+% of all games. just at a balanced state of power for late game scalers but of course the whiny marksmen mains and childish pro players protested begging for buffs.

just open it up. but then everyone hated that even more then just adc's

Everyone i talked too, (bar Marksmen) mains LOVED that time in Lol,

so riot put them back. literally at the majority's request.

Marksmen Playerbase is Large =/= Majority, the fact you would think that Undervalues every other role

meanwhile toplane, no class has ever been completely booted.

Toplane is the House of undesirables, a place for those with nowhere to go. All classes have those champions.

this is true, 100%. it is cancer dealing with them and i dont in any way dispute this fact. but cancer =/= unbeatable

Whether they are beatable or not has no influence over the match up, since as a melee 99% of the time you have Zero effect on the outcome based Solely on your Contributions. A sad Fact

ok this is where it gets touchy because its a pretty big misconception. melee champions, by default, do in fact have much higher base stats then ranged champions, thats just a fact.

Your welcome to compare Mordeaisers Base stats to any Marksmen anytime. You will be shocked. Also the Difference is stats is not that big, especially if you consider Ease of application.

once you jump on to them at level 3 (when you can dispute the ranged discrepancy) you win the intial trade, but ONLY lose if they can retaliate as your backing off.

Not all Champions have gap closers

not all marksmen scale harder then toplaners.

LOL LOL Hahahhahaha , good one. Lets not lie to each other ok.

they only lose if they dont trade into ranged disadvantages properly.

Which is not a fun prospect, Ranged get a care free lane and a punching bag to abuse, they win by default. If the Melee champ plays extremely well under extreme stress the whole time, they maybe have a chance their Team will carry them. Since their laner would be a manageable threat.

they are fine, because they were never a problem. citing op.gg:

Yeah turns out when Mr Selfish, picks a Ranged toplaner they often remove a front liner from thier Teams composition, with such a drastic weakness in Team composition they become very brittle and Often lose when they enter the Team fight stage.

the current top 15 toplaners are as follows:

Whole lot of cancer...

they only remember when they get rofl stomped by the rare ranged matchup.

Because its such a Negative experience. Which explains the extreme decline of the Melee Toplaner Playerbase, prior to the justified Nerf of Marksmen.

They are in Toplane, i can't change that. Showing them the data on how weak a pick it is overall to their composition. Won't change their mind. All they see is a Free win and Lock in.

Data is cold, dead to emotion. That's why Riot asks people for feedback.

heroikcApr 4, 20192 votes

They also murdered jungle diversity, forcing gankers and duelists in there.

Daddy AntsApr 4, 20192 votes

I consider any champion with a base attack range of over 200 as ranged.

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