Ivern's got a 54% win rate in the Jungle

Malicious Metal·Nov 15, 2016·2 votes·645 views

http://champion.gg/champion/Ivern

Who would have thought

9 Comments

dPPobrjYEkNov 15, 20161 votes

only 4k games bad data is bad

Elite4RunnerNov 15, 20162 votes

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only 4k games bad data is bad

He has only been available for a month.

Not everyone buys champions as soon as they come out.

And smart people don't take a champion into ranked until they have a decent understanding of how to play them.

dPPobrjYEkNov 15, 20161 votes

also that's because of colussus no ivern colussus is just really op

Dovahkiin416Nov 15, 20161 votes

He's really strong in the new jungle, especially with the item changes. item 3364 item 1410 item 3190 item 3116 item 3107 item 3158 item 3030

J EevoNov 15, 20161 votes

Has a really low playrate so most of the people that play Ivern actually know how to play Ivern well.

Malicious MetalNov 15, 20161 votes

Meanwhile Mordekaiser sits at a 48% win rate mid and 51% top. While also only being played by enthusiasts-

ZephyrDrakeNov 15, 20161 votes

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Meanwhile Mordekaiser sits at a 48% win rate mid and 51% top. While also only being played by enthusiasts-

yeah but ivern isn't being played on a role that your kit already puts you at a disadvantage the entire game. At least he can do his stuff in the jungle and do an early lvl 1 buff steal cheese to get ahead early. Ivern has it easier for him to have a higher winrate than Morde ever will due to where they are both being played

Malicious MetalNov 15, 20161 votes

How does Morde's kit put him at a disadvantage when rolling top or mid?

J EevoNov 15, 20161 votes

Didn't ask me, but thought I'd chime in: hardcounter in matchups is more punishing on melees, and Morde is probably one of the biggest cases of "doesn't do enough when not in someone's face" so naturally by parsing data from a lot of games, the games against teams that can effectively nullify him, bring him down, regardless of whether the player controlling Morde is good or not.

Add to that that Morde is overall not too powerful after the rework and nerfs, in comparison to Ivern who's power is just placed in things harder to understand, brush creation for one is very hard to quantify properly, and is almost a dead spell for inexperienced players.