I might be 2/5 because you never help when I'm invaded or trying to drag, even though I've spammed "assist me." I might not be ganking because you're pushed 24/7. You might even be camped because you're pushing lane to tower the entire laning phase! But nah, its my fault.
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Talkrr4 votesMhm. Top Laners are notorious for yelling at me when they get ganked. Yet they're up the enemies ass so far the jungler can go through the tri brush to kill them. Makes me cry.
1st Movement2 votesMhm. Top Laners are notorious for yelling at me when they get ganked. Yet they're up the enemies ass so far the jungler can go through the tri brush to kill them. Makes me cry.
When I get ganked top I usually blame myself
Randomonium3 votesAs a jungle main I understand how much it sucks to get invaded. That said, depending on what the wave situation is it is often the wrong decision for laners to help you with an invade because they will fall behind against their lane opponents. The best way to deal with invades is proper warding. For example, to deal with the level 2 invade drop a ward behind your red to spot the invade or go krugs, Raptors and then red. If the enemy jungler invades just leave your red side jungle and invade his red side jungle and you will wind up being ahead.
ForgiveColour2 votesthis is why everyone hate junglers. You never counter gank and yet expect help when you get your jungle invaded? ROFL
Shroom Junkie2 votesthis is why everyone hate junglers. You never counter gank and yet expect help when you get your jungle invaded? ROFL
Yep just expect me to counter gank when you guys are pushed up to their tower... yeeeepp. The odds of me even being there ready to counter gank at the time are slim, let alone winning against their already 4/1/1 ADC and 1/0/4 jungler.
ForgiveColour1 votesLOL
Erockandroll2 votesThis is why I say players are responsible for their own lanes. It's on you if you die in lane without Jungler intervention. And if the enemy is snowballing their lanes, the Jungler has much more power to do invades.
of coarse, Laners can't help you when you get invaded, if they are pushed to tower. (or they lose CS, and possibly the tower.) Your best bet may be to grab a trackers knife, and help provide Vision. (Focus top side, as the support should have bot covered.) And if your teammates don't make use of the vision, again, it's on them.
Z Statistic1 votesTwo lanes can EASILY and SAFELY contest their invaded Blue. Same for Red. Kugs can be contested, raptors can be contested, Dragon and Rift herald can be contested depending on matchup for bot/top.
Wolves are very hard to contest because they are so far from the long lanes on both sides, and mid needs to be pushed up to their tower to contest reliably. The midlane is quite frankly the ONLY lane that has a hard time responding when behind because while Mid lane itself is safe, the paths out of midlane are EXTREMELY dangerous.
Both top and bot can contest pretty much every invade regardless of creep equilibrium. If they respond quickly enough, it becomes a 3/2v1. And when they kill the jungler, they can go kill anyone who chased after them into their own jungle and potentially kill them too.
stealthfox941 votesOk I can agree with the last two things you said but you actually expect help when you invade the enemy jungler and then blame your lanes when you die. No when you invade and die that's 100% YOUR FAULT. The rest of the tam has lanes to deal with.
Shroom Junkie2 votesOk I can agree with the last two things you said but you actually expect help when you invade the enemy jungler and then blame your lanes when you die. No when you invade and die that's 100% YOUR FAULT. The rest of the tam has lanes to deal with.
You read it wrong. Not when I'm invading, when I'm invaded
1st Movement1 votesMap awareness and pings that's what most people need when they're invaded
Sometime I can't help my jungler when I'm pushed in then I lose exp and gold
That's the only time I can't help them when I really want to
FrankerX1 votesi''d say mute and move on.
Sir Yamazuki1 votesIf you're dying multiple times to invades, it's most likely your fault. I don't die to invades even when playing Sej against early game junglers. I've even had games where I was invaded constantly to the point I was level 1 for 10 minutes yet didn't die. Don't blame your team for being greedy, dying to get a camp is no different than a laner dying over getting a minion.
Troiann1 votesYou sound like the kind of jungler who never counterganks and says "lol it's your own fault" when i'm getting my ass doved level 5 top lane.
Shroom Junkie1 votesYou sound like the kind of jungler who never counterganks and says "lol it's your own fault" when i'm getting my ass doved level 5 top lane.
How do I strike you as that...? I can't countergank a losing lane, I'll either get really low and have to recall for no reason and get counterjungled, or the enemy will get a triple kill. Unless I'm some crazy teamfight/skirmish champ like Malphite or Amumu which I play almost none of, then there's really nothing I can do. And if you're getting dived, then it probably means you aren't pushed and I can gank, which I will if you're pulled, but when you're digging into the enemy laner's ass trying to push to tower I can't just magically turn around lane by walking into it. What do you expect me to do? Unless I'm Zac, Lee Sin, or Rek'sai, I can't go through the tower and even if I could when you're pushed to tower I'll probably die trying to gank that way.
Definitely Bait1 votesThe bigger problem isn't responding to invades. It's losing in all lanes and keeping the lanes pushed into the opponents tower with no wards or map awareness so any roam or gank from the other team is free gold. I've noticed a lot more games lately where they're spamming / pinging assist constantly for ganks and consistently doing this.
There seems to be the impression that the jungler is magically able to turn anything around no matter how bad your lane play is. Actually a lot of times even when I do get them a advantage they proceed to throw it instantly instead of being safe and letting it build. As for counter ganking it depends on the lane situation. If bot lane got 2 double kills and I go in for the counter gank it's more than likely going to give them a triple kill. Same thing when the top laner decides they need to constantly try to duel the fed opponent and spam tp on cooldown to give them kills faster.
Literally how they respond on the first gank or two will tell you if that lane is worth feeding. If they have already gave 2 - 4 kills to the laner before you start your second jungle clear they're not going to carry. If they ask for spam pings when you gank they're not going to carry. If they sit there and cs while you duel the laner to half health or less from full hp they're not going to carry. If they constantly push out the lane even though they've already died one or two times they're probably not going to carry. If they're not using the ward trinket at all and don't ever buy a pink they'll probably not carry. If the laner isn't going to carry you need to either get yourself fed enough to do it, or focus on one that will. This kinda thing happening so often is why I've been spamming Udyr. He's excellent at being selfish.
I've noticed alot of laners lately giving up insane amounts of kills really early. Actually it's more common when they're premade. It seems matches with 3 man or 4 man premades usually have feeders in all lanes.
Leanus Crain1 votesWhen you gank the lane and they don't even join the gank till it's too late, thats the true life.
NostolgicSkies1 votesi only complain about junglers when they are at wolves and as a mid player i get tower dived and they let it happen so they can get that 25 gold from jungle camp instead of that 100health 300 gold kill that just walked right past him like it was no big deal. thats usually when i get upset. i even lost two towers cause my jungle decided wraiths and scuttle was more important then two people pushing down an entire lane while they are both at 200hp. i understand junglers shouldn't hold your hand but if the enemy jungler is running the map and ganking lanes left and right while my jungler still thinks he needs to afk farm a devour instead of help blance the lead the enemy has i go a little crazy. lanes shouldn't be their jungler ganks 4 times and your jungle still hasnt showed once in 30mins.