Like seriously, a Bronze player can have the right to hold an opinion that is on even grounds so stop thinking you're all so much better when you just get luckier. A Silver player can only be held back because of shit teammates, it's all luck you see??
So stop with the coaching and other dumb high and mighty shit because we're all the same, just some luckier than others.
SzGamer2277 votesDiamond elitism is a problem, but Bronzes and Silvers blaming their teammates for their rank is even more so.
To get to Diamond, you have to consistently win games that 98% of all other ranked players would lose. Diamonds are in the top 2% of the ladder, and when you have a massive playerbase with lots of average play time, it is absolutely impossible to get that high with luck.
Luck might be able to carry you up a division, but even thinking someone can make it to Gold 5 by playing at a Silver 3 level is pushing it. The very notion that Diamond players are just Silver players who got lucky is extremely laughable. If you need the ignorance of blaming luck for a player's ranked to feel good then that's fine, but the real world hurts if you can't accept the fact that you're not playing any better than a majority of the playerbase.
That said, Silvers and Bronzes are allowed to have opinions. The reasons a lot of people are stuck in the mediocrity ELOs are stupid things like a lack of map awareness, picking losing fights without the judgement to realize it's a losing fight, and wasting opportunities to seize objectives or not fully exploiting the Baron buff. Silvers and Bronzes can have mechanical skill on a champion and know the best ways to build them. They can see whether a decision wa good or bad in retrospect, even if they can't see the repercussions beforehand. The opinions of Bronzes and Silvers matters, and just because you're Diamond or higher doesn't mean you're the be-all end-all of knowing what works and what doesn't.
Knowing how to play and build champions to the best of their potential does not get you to Diamond (unless you're playing high-skill ceiling hard-carry champs like Yasuo), and you can get to Diamond without having the perfect item build or flawless mechanics and flawed theories about the game.
Verxint2 votesUnsure if troll...
Verxint1 votesYou honestly think the difference between Diamond and Bronze is luck?
Honestly, riot should have some event where you can be thrown into a match 3 ranks above you. Then people like you should have their delusions shattered
ryona1 votesYou honestly think the difference between Diamond and Bronze is luck?
Honestly, riot should have some event where you can be thrown into a match 3 ranks above you. Then people like you should have their delusions shattered
"You honestly think the difference between Diamond and Bronze is luck."
Yeah, I do for the most part. I've seen legit Bronze to Silver players that put Diamonds to shame in normals.
Verxint1 votesFirst off, normals are a different enviornment. People try new things, try different roles, or are less concerned with the outcome and take risks they wouldnt in ranked.
Second, the outcome of a lane doesn't determine who is a better player. The Diamond players that sometimes lose lane to Silvers have much better teamfighting and macro game. They know when and where to be to secure fights and objectives for their team, and that's how they win.
Skill is multidimensional and the only real measure that puts everyone on the same playing field is the ranked queue. If someone is a higher rank, it means they consistently win as much or more often against better players.
EndlessSorcerer2 votesJust check their post history, then look at their profile on OP.GG.
Obvious troll is obvious.
Head Connoisseur2 votesYes, bronze and silver have a lot more luck involved in terms of which teammates you get.
That being said, if you are in bronze/silver, you do not by any stretch of imagination belong in/are good enough to deserve diamond.
By extension, you do not understand the game nearly as well as diamond+ players do, which means you don't have the knowledge to properly discuss legitimately game-breaking issues/actual balance.
I'm not saying bronze/silver cannot make valid arguments or points, but as a general rule if they make balance or gameplay claims, they probably are grossly exaggerated (I did it myself a couple years ago, and looking back at the posts I cringe hard).
I'm only gold by the way, so don't lynch me.
ryona1 votesYes, bronze and silver have a lot more luck involved in terms of which teammates you get.
That being said, if you are in bronze/silver, you do not by any stretch of imagination belong in/are good enough to deserve diamond.
By extension, you do not understand the game nearly as well as diamond+ players do, which means you don't have the knowledge to properly discuss legitimately game-breaking issues/actual balance.
I'm not saying bronze/silver cannot make valid arguments or points, but as a general rule if they make balance or gameplay claims, they probably are grossly exaggerated (I did it myself a couple years ago, and looking back at the posts I cringe hard).
I'm only gold by the way, so don't lynch me.
If a Bronze I player were put in AT LEAST Diamond V he would do fine, trust me.
FooDang1 votesNope, you are wrong. Nice b8m8.
ryona1 votesNope, you are wrong. Nice b8m8.
Nice points (sarcasm). I aint in the wrong, I'm in the right here.
FooDang1 votesWord, you can always say the sky is purple but no one agrees with you and everytime you say it people just think your an idiot. lol keep saying you're right bro, no one is listening and they are just laughing at you.
ryona1 votesWord, you can always say the sky is purple but no one agrees with you and everytime you say it people just think your an idiot. lol keep saying you're right bro, no one is listening and they are just laughing at you.
I'm not your brother, what is wrong with you and you have nothing legitimate to add here because you have no points!
FooDang1 votesI have no points? Your saying a B1 player can stand toe to toe with a Diamond that is wrong. Thats my point.
Unless your the Diamond player then yea youd probably get beat by a bronze one since you are a Soraka main.
Head Connoisseur1 votes[{quoted}](name=gas reformed,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lmaKm38Y,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-03-02T18:46:47.824+0000)
If a Bronze I player were put in AT LEAST Diamond V he would do fine, trust me.
Hahaha no...not even remotely. I'm gold 1 and I would get destroyed mercilessly. Bronze 1 would get shit on in high gold/low plat.
Timethief492 votesI started my first season in b5 and ended it in plat last season i get dia. on a 2nd account i got to plat 1 from bronze 2. i doubt it has to to with luck if you see how many players to bronze to diamond streams with ease
zaqat1 votesdammit, that's so true, bronze and silver are all about luck
i swear if they play a ranked game with bronzes they will get fuckked as hell, arrogant assholes
Escheton1 votesStop putting Singed players to shame with shit like this man. With a name like that you have standards to uphold. geez.
Big Lincoln1 votesDiamond players that aren't hardstuck in d4-d5 earned the right to talk down to people tbh
i reserve the right to call them a dickhead for it though
AdeBug1 votesI think the OP is stating 2 things, 1 imo true, and 1 false.
Higher ranked players admitted you can be bronze and have an (ok) opinion about the game. And for good reason. There is a saying, those who can't, teach. Sure, maybe your hand to eye coord is not the best, or your muscle memory is not adapting to this particular game, or are not quick enough etc, that doesn't mean you lack knowledge of the game. Same in sports, I'm pretty sure amateur players, retired players, coaches (sometimes ofc ex players), referees, team managers, commentators and sometimes even the public can have an informed opinion, not just the professional players.
As for the 2nd part. Luck can only get you so far. I rarely read about reaching gold from bronze, but plat from bronze is common. In my bronze opinion there is an elo hell because we are put to the same standards as everyone else, aka silver 5 can supposedly carry bronze 1, gold 5 can carry silver 1, plat 5 can carry gold 1 etc. And that's just a wrong assumption from riot. If skill grows, so does the skill of carrying lower team mates. If you're actually silver up to low gold and are stuck somewhere lower, that's where the luck comes in, because it is harder for you to carry your lower ranked team, than it is for a (high gold,) plat or diamond player. They didn't need luck to get where they are right now. Plus the trolls and afks, I bet plats learned how to carry despite that, while we didn't.