Why pick Garen over Darius?

-sigh- I went scrolling through the comments asap to see if I got to say it, but you beat me to the punchline. Take my upvote you filthy animal. :(

On that note, Garen spins longer so he's definitely the better beyblade.

amumu is fine in every elo. braindead tank with aoe cc and dmg.

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Garen is a beginner champion meant for low-elo. He takes almost no skill whatsoever, so he's great for introducing people to Juggernaunts.

He's terrible in higher elo because they know how to kite, and Garen is useless when the enemy is competent enough to kite and CC him.

He's not meant to be played in high elo. If a simple champion like Garen or Amumu is being played in high elo, they are supremely overpowered and need nerfs.

Darius is the higher-elo Juggernaut. He's meant to be what the beginners move up to when they learn the basics of their duty as a Juggernaut.

So, there is NO reason to pick Garen over Darius. Unless you're really, REALLY good at him. Even then, it would be better to learn Darius.

Though to be fair, Darius's weakness is also kiting and CC, but he has more answers to that other than just running at the enemy and hoping he hits them.

So... Who doesn't get shut down by cc expect like gp and rengar and olaf?

If garen requires no skill, then why are there hardstuck bronze and silver Garen mains and there are high diamond Garen mains

This is a bit off topic, but champions like Garen provide a really interesting look at the difference in balancing philosophies between League and Dota2.

In League they try and balance the game for all elos, which means that obviously some champions suffer. For example, Garen works in Bronze but never Challenger.

In Dota2 all champions are balanced around the highest levels of play. So pretty much everything is at least situationally viable. The upside is that pro matches and games are much more exciting, dynamic, and offer far more variety than League could ever hope to have. The downside is that in low elo certain champs dominate.

Should League do the same, I imagine pro game viewership would skyrocket, and Bronze would be full of 60%+ winrate Garens. And when they inevitably complain, the answer is basically "git gud."

Feelsbadman, Garen main in series for diamond here, Its really all about map awareness and knowing your team.

Darius technically has armor shred that synergizes very well with his kit. By this I mean BC because this is pretty much always going to be one of your first items.

However, Garen has it off of the bat so I guess his is better, and it also probably stacks with BC.

But Garen is scummy Demacian filth.

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Although Darius is essentially a better version of Garen

no?

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Although Darius is essentially a better version of Garen, Garen is more accessible to new players. He doesn't require as much mechanical skill, and even has a passive that encourages csing.

So, why pick Garen over Darius? To learn the fundamentals of the Juggernaut class with a straight-forward, easy to learn champ.

i dont see that as an argument tbh. a champion shouldnt be deliberately kept weak or without options for mastery, to be accessable to new players. and i dont think thats how riot operates.

they have made a bunch of champions that are easy to pick up and difficult to master. the new would be a great example of a champion who is quite easy to pick up, but has enough tools in his kit that allow for some situational tricks to outplay his opponent. (q behind the enemy, release fear to push him into the direction of your teammates. stick to the enemy with q to follow flash. the whole "do i want to fear now, or do i want to have the damage reduction?").

would be another prime example.

i think they need to give garen some options back that he used to have for people who were practised on him.

animation canceling his q, and even the last 0.5 seconds of his spin used to play a big role in how you where able to perform on him. they took away some options for mastery that he already had.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Garen considered a tank while Darius is a juggernaut?

both are juggernauts.

garen doesnt have a tank kit. no aoe cc, no hard initiate or heavy peel. hes all defense and damage in melee, with nothing but a mediocre speed buff.

compare to or who are tanks. they deal little damage, are extremely tanky and have tools to protect their teammates, or initiate fights.

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Garen counters some champions that Darius does not. He even counters some that Darius does but even better. Renekton being the best example. Only real biggest reason to pick Garen at this point is counter picking. Not much most champions can do to a very fed Garen mowing them down.

garen doesnt counter renekton. the matchup is pretty even. it comes down to renekton cancelling decisive strike with the stun on his w.