Hey Meddler it's time again for a Talon thread.

Edge of Daybreak·Dec 7, 2016·4 votes·3,563 views

So Meddler Meddler behind the monitor are we going to see any changes to talon because I have seen nothing on the PBE and well kat is being buffed and let's be honest here Talon needs help especially if Kat is deemed as needing a buff. So meddler what are your current thoughts on talon's direction and is he going to get a different ability for his E in aram. I would love to be able to just jump off the bridge and die but I am open to all kinds of ideas :D The darkness will be that there is nothing coming. I'll just cry into my useless lethality runes.

17 Comments

RiotMeddlerDec 7, 201610 votes

We don't have any immediate plans for Talon. We're still seeing his performance gradually improve as players master the new parts of his kit and learn when and when not to play him in terms of team comp, enemy team comp. He's got quite a bit more skill curve to him than pre-update too.

Edge of DaybreakDec 7, 20163 votes

Dangit. Guess it's time to get good. I personally don't like the idea of a niche champion being beaten by things that are kinda generalist. Like champ .gg shows syndra destroys him but what can't you pick her into. What does riot's internal data show him being good against?

foristDec 7, 20162 votes

Something that I think would really help you gauge talon's performance would be reverting his movement speed nerf to pre-update state. If you want a more accurate estimate of his power then maybe you could try making him feel a little more like he used to in areas that weren't in need of balance changes. It doesn't make much sense to nerf a champion's mobility in lane in exchange for situational mobility and then proceed to nerf its overall move-speed, especially with the high cd on his e at early levels imo.

sunden12Dec 7, 20161 votes

Question, with talon be as he is have you thought about instead of ratio/damage changes that he might just need some tweaks into delays when using moves? i noticed a some what annoying delay from when i ult to when my crit q hits. I belive his crit q could just be looked at to make it more fluent rather that the clunky antimation and drawback time, unless that is what you intened to increase his burst time, along with his w.

Edge of DaybreakDec 8, 20161 votes

I have 0 clue if you go back to threads or even check people who quote you but I just thought of something and well I figured why make a whole other thread since there is still this one. Okay so remember back when you guys made it so you could trigger ghostblade while stealthed and it didn't break it? Why not let Talon vault walls without breaking his stealth? Now this isn't even a numbers change but I feel this would add a lot of power when used correctly because being able to sneak up on targets would fit the assassin theme a lot more. Plus if he has to burn half his ult to do it I feel that is fair. It dawned on me last game because I vaulted a wall while trying to get closer to someone and well.. let's say it didn't go as planned. Next. I am not sure if his Q can be used to detonate his passive but well I guess what I want for christmas is that :D if that target would have the last stack be applied by the Q let that trigger the passive. Or if the passive is ready to pop due to say ult and W. let the next Q pop it.

sunden12Dec 8, 20161 votes

You can ult mid jump and it kinda gives that effect, enemy can still see you if yoru slow with it tho

R ÆDec 10, 20165 votes

Meddler I disagree with this, his late games very very weak. Even if you get fed early, you can't even assassinste their adc (as an assassin) and his playrate is dropping, and I've seen no improvement in win rate according to champion.gg. Hid burst is so slow. And I don't get why you guys hate talon so much. You called his one blink that's on a long cooldown, vs kats thats on a .3 sec cool down and they both did the same thing. Kats an aoe bomb also. Every one at talonmains discord and sub Reddit is wondering when he's getting buffs, and dreaming for a revert of his rework (similar to kog) I just want to know if you are aware of his buggy kit and that his burst isn't existent and his late game is horrible.

-Reaper

VolcanuzDec 16, 20161 votes

Just means he is an early game champion now. Try win the game earlier then?

Dominick DestineDec 16, 20161 votes

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We don't have any immediate plans for Talon. We're still seeing his performance gradually improve as players master the new parts of his kit and learn when and when not to play him in terms of team comp, enemy team comp. He's got quite a bit more skill curve to him than pre-update too.

What the FIDDLE STICKS is this?

I never get responses from Meddler. What did this person do to earn a red-response? this is worse than when we tried to figure out what caused the ancient cyclops to spawn in SRo. GG.

xNykyrian Dec 11, 20165 votes

Didn't know to summon a red all you had to do was say their name two times.

Dominick DestineDec 8, 20163 votes

The enemies of Talon will be eliminated.

Edge of DaybreakDec 8, 20162 votes

Live and Die by the blade.

AstroFerrari Dec 14, 20162 votes

Let them eat cake.

Automated RivenDec 8, 20162 votes

Umm talon does damage. I retract everything I used to say about him post rework.. /relevent

(https://youtu.be/ggausqz0lrY)

Edge of DaybreakDec 8, 20161 votes

Yeah he does damage. But he needs usability tweaks and better ways to apply that damage to competent opponents and I did suggest some. Also that poor TF bronze and on his first game as that champion.

Edge of DaybreakDec 7, 20161 votes

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