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What makes the complaints of Aatrox players any less valid than the other playerbases?

Edge of Daybreak·3/10/2017, 8:03:59 AM·76 votes·5,335 views

People were up in arms about it for weeks when mordekaiser was changed and at least he was busted. To this day we still have people talking about him. Cass, skarner, sona, akali, etc we have had so many moments where player bases flooded the forum to complain about riot's changes in the past and the only difference between them was how much presence their players had on the forums because let's be real if you had said anything about the number of complaints about Sona changes you would be drowning in downvotes vs having people get showered with upvotes for calling Aatrox players whiners after waiting for over 3 years. There are far too many hypocrites that are telling Aatrox players to suck it up when they themselves came here to complain and that's crap. They feel like their champion got screwed over at the very least can we let them discuss it without throwing stones?

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Imperial Japan3/10/2017, 4:14:34 PM12 votes

It's due to the fact that people believe it is in fact a "buff." Even if not, people believe that it's a rework made in the right direction. What Aatrox players are complaining about is that Aatrox doesn't feel like he used to be and that Jungle Aatrox alongside AP Aatrox has been completely demolished. It has eliminated several of Aatrox's play styles just to incorporate less of a feast - famine situation. Now I am not saying or ever would encourage a feast - famine situation, I do believe that this rework was not the way to go and that Riot should allow Aatrox to feel like the God of War mowing down enemies with every swing of his sword like Aatrox Mains like. (And allow for Jungle + AP Aatrox to survive) (that said many Aatrox players from the subreddit also do believe that Jungle Aatrox could still work if bloodwell lasted longer or refreshed upon neutral minions.) (that also said AP Aatrox will be useless if not completely horrifying terrible if the AP scaling doesn't return on his E. some Aatrox players think that mixed dmg output and or scaling on his e may solve this.) (everything else being said, Aatrox Mains really fucking hate being able to only revive in the 4 seconds that bloodwell is up )

warpenguin5553/10/2017, 3:54:34 PM10 votes

The complaints from actual Aatrox players aren't invalid, it's the complaints from the "Playerbase" that are pissing everybody off. When this patch hit all the people who live to be outraged decided to pretend they play Aatrox in order to have a reason to be mad at Riot. It happens with alot of reworks and it really sucks because those people make it hard to find the actual feedback from the actual players.

SSShutTheDuckUp3/10/2017, 2:08:39 PM10 votes

The thing is Meddler stated, that they acknowledge that Aatrox is weak right now and they are working on him. After that the complaining about him became pointless. Sure, maybe some veteran players could give some advices on what the direction of buffs would be, however the "OMG RITO U KILLED MY CHAMP I UNINSTALL" don't really help

SUPERX4PANDA3/10/2017, 1:41:14 PM7 votes

Most of it is for two major reasons (at least from what I can see)...

The thing has been out for 2 days, so they haven't gotten used to it yet, and a lot of people are trying to build him the same way they did before. They complain about long cooldowns but probably didn't think of adding Cleaver/Triforce to their new builds. While I do think Aatrox definitely needs buffs, they need to take a little more time experimenting to see if it's as bad as they think it is.
This specific set of changes was not meant to fix him for good (since they plan to fully rework him eventually), but it also doesn't mean they won't do followup buffs. These changes were meant to add more ways to balance Aatrox without any direct buffs making him too oppressive to play against. Meddler has already stated that there is a very high chance of hotfixing and buffing within the current and next patch. We know that Aatrox is weak, and so does Riot, and they are planning to do follow-up work on him to nudge him to a better spot. Basically Aatrox mains, just as anyone else, overreacted before playing around with it OR waiting for Riot's followup before branding the change a complete failure.

Aptest3/10/2017, 3:26:17 PM6 votes

Dear OP,

Pre rework AAtrox was a mess of a kit. A pretty awesome high point that was so awesome it was downright frustrating to deal with, balanced by having (by design!) issues getting to have that high point.

I disagreed with you strongly on where the changes should go. Aatrox mains mainly wanted more access to his high point, with buffs specifically directed at making the designed problems less strong.

Whereas people like me wanted a more fair champion with a less pronounced high point and a less pronounced low point.

Therefore "you guys" (Aatrox players) suggested one kind of buffs: more mobility, more CC, less telegraphing, whereas "us" suggested different buffs: lowering HP costs on harass spell.

Even though I do not know at the moment what my opinion is regarding the new kit, I do know that I disagreed with you in the past. If the change displeases you, it is perhaps, for me, a positive sign.

This is a roundabout reply but i hope it helps clear up why I don't jump to supporting AAtrox mains.

Rax Reformed3/10/2017, 8:23:59 AM5 votes

Weren't the changes to him a big help? It's not like there are a ton of Aatrox mains that got screwed here. He has the lowest playrate in the game.

SaltyKracka3/10/2017, 5:02:34 PM5 votes

The Sona circle jerk was and is a circlejerk though.

Oleandervine3/10/2017, 6:21:43 PM4 votes

What makes Aatrox mains complaints invalid is this quote from Meddler, 2 days ago:

"Yep, there'll be followup needed. We think the pattern the kit changes move Aatrox towards is better, that's not to say the numbers are right however.

Looking at Aatrox's performance today so far he's having a really tough time of it. Some of that's expected (people who've never played him trying him, people experimenting with builds or doing what used to work but isn't great anymore). We're seeing significantly worse performance than we'd expect from just that though if he was in a good place. We're going to start testing buffs as a result, possibly for the next patch, possibly for a hotfix before then depending on how Aatrox does over the next few days."

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/dRLxraL4-i-love-how-people-think-the-aatrox-changes-are-final-and-nothing-else-is-going-to-happen?comment=0001

Pierce The Veal3/11/2017, 1:34:17 AM3 votes

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People were up in arms about it for weeks when mordekaiser was changed and at least he was busted. To this day we still have people talking about him. Cass, skarner, sona, akali, etc we have had so many moments where player bases flooded the forum to complain about riot's changes in the past and the only difference between them was how much presence their players had on the forums because let's be real if you had said anything about the number of complaints about Sona changes you would be drowning in downvotes vs having people get showered with upvotes for calling Aatrox players whiners after waiting for over 3 years. There are far too many hypocrites that are telling Aatrox players to suck it up when they themselves came here to complain and that's crap. They feel like their champion got screwed over at the very least can we let them discuss it without throwing stones?

I mean we Akali mains were crying the second we heard about the changes on PBE. We're still asking for fixes now. Nobody listened to us and nobody gave a damn. I'm still going to be downvoted to hell because I say Akali was dumpstered— evem though she may still be playable. You know who reworked Akali? RicklessAbandon. You know who's reworking Aatrox? Rickless fucking Abandon. At least we'll have some people joining our club. To this day people like you seem to think we're satisfied with the changes.

AbyssionKnight3/11/2017, 8:09:25 AM2 votes

Nothing makes them less valid. Every time a rework happens people who play the champion complain, and other people tell them they are overreacting.

Even though it always happens, the instant it happens to your champion, you forget the trend and feel like mains of your champ are being treated differently, even though you are not.

TMF Revilo3/10/2017, 6:43:02 PM2 votes

Don't worry, Galio mains are in the same boat. If they're not meta champions then their opinion doesn't matter.

RIP Galio

ModAcademy Kayn3/10/2017, 10:26:13 PM2 votes

Letting them discuss is fine, I enjoy discussion, when it's healthy and not angry. However, considering how many people have called me a cock gobbler for saying "give it time for numbers to get adjusted before demanding a rework", a lot of people are angry. Aatrox is the first mini-rework to ever come in this weak, other reworks have either gotten it just right, or needed very slight work.

Aatrox needs a whole lot more, and compared to other mini-reworks, it feels like compared to the others, that his is an immense failure. Thing is, those other reworks were done to more viable champions who were still playable normally. Aatrox was already weak and unfavorable when it comes to the game, so something making him weaker feels like a slap to the face. I understand those feelings, but people need to be patient.

sobi9993/10/2017, 3:45:11 PM1 votes

Aatrox QQ threads are sometimes made by players who have never played the champ so i am not sure how that makes sense. On the other hand some mains just come to moan after playing 1 game with the reworked aatrox. I mean give it some time. Also i know my fav champ teemo is cancerous but has no place in the meta and whenever i want to make a good suggestion about him being less cancerous and more useful i get downvoted and so do other teemo mains. The community is biased obviously and the opinions are skewed towards those champs that are more popular.