Let's chat about exhaust.

Edge of Daybreak·1/4/2017, 6:11:23 PM·18 votes·2,084 views

I remember how riot nerfed cleanse because back when it removed suppression you would always take it against those champions and then they changed Qss to not remove the debuffs of certain champions because it made them harder to balance. Exhaust is kind of doing the same thing now isnt it? Even if it is to a lesser degree it's pretty similar in it's use. Regardless of how I would talk to teammates so that I can be in a counterpick position even if my opponent picks some squishy mage mid and I go Talon or Zed it doesn't matter because they can just snag exhaust and boom guaranteed safety on an all in that I try to do because it either reduces the damage saving them or I have to back off or die. It really sucks to have to position correctly, avoid skillshots, hit skillshots, then burn multiple cooldowns just to have this final uncounterable wall hit you because there is nothing you can do about this button press.

Worse there is almost 0 decision making with exhaust. Someone going in exhaust them. That's it the math is done. Enemy assassin managed to get through the entire team? Well boom exhaust. Now the adc can either point and click them to death while lifestealing back any damage you may have done or you can burn your escape and walk around useless for a while.

This spell needs some changes because as it stands it punishes certain champions way too hard for a playstyle they are built around.

Edit. Also it really overshadows barrier because why take barrier when exhaust does a similar job + more? There is one offensive use of exhaust and that is exhausting an opponent as you go in on them but you rarely see it used that way.

30 Comments

Dêcoy1/4/2017, 6:14:32 PM7 votes

Do you know that Exhaust has a CD? Do you know that you have to time it right?

No? Yeah, I thought so.

WoonStruck1/4/2017, 6:12:35 PM6 votes

Exhaust is half the reason Vlad can't function consistently as well.

You never get rewarded for properly flanking a team and actually managing to get into a good position. You get exhausted while a 1k+ shield+heal is dropped by the support.

Arkilusal1/4/2017, 8:36:15 PM5 votes

The 'catch' to Exhaust is that it's cooldown is long and significant, because if that failed, then we couldn't have Anivia, who has a passive of 'I come back to life when I'm killed'. However, and feel free to ignore me if I'm mistaken, but I'm willing to bet your issue with the spell boils down to 'after going through all the trouble of laning successfully to the point of poking down my opponent so I can all-in him said all-in gets ruined by Exhaust, and then I get killed by my opponent.' And the annoying thing is that after he uses it on you, he starts hugging tower so you can't safely all-in him without getting killed. And the one time you bait out the Exhaust, and catch him out with an all-in...you didn't see that his jungler was coming to gank, and still died.

AgentBlack1/4/2017, 6:17:50 PM5 votes

I think Exhaust is fine overall, but maybe a little overloaded. I don't see why it debuffs armor and magic resist, when it's designed to reduce the immediate threat of a Champion. If anything, that should go on Ignite, which has been underperforming anyway.

OurLestrade1/4/2017, 6:32:17 PM5 votes

It's overpowered but needs to be, if that makes sense.

Trenitaliyah1/4/2017, 9:23:37 PM4 votes

Exhaust it's so good that I lately prefer it to teleport, as a toplaner. Big time saviour in an offensive and defensive way.

Akali is SO HOT1/4/2017, 8:39:26 PM4 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2391088052/201824488?tab=overview

Akali wins the GP matchup ezpz if you know how to play it right, but he took exhaust so I always died or had to burn both summoners in every all in. And then they had double exhaust + redemption so I couldn't do jack in all the teamfights and had to get all my kills from solo kills. Very fun and interactive gameplay knowing that you'll get exhausted in teamfights and be useless and there's nothing you can do about it.

Professor Ward1/4/2017, 10:57:35 PM2 votes

exhaust destroys ignite in my opinion in almost every situation past 5 mins, its way too general

Should read: makes enemy too weak to kill you, and just weak enough for you to kill them.

Movespeed Attack speed Mr Armor Damage

it literally debuffs every major stat in the game. When used properly it will out damage ignite, and thats a problem

k wìx1/4/2017, 10:54:52 PM2 votes

Full disclosure, I'm a Gold/Plat Support Main with over 4000+ games. I'm not amazing, but I'm quite good at the game, and I've been playing for a really long time.

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I remember how riot nerfed cleanse because back when it removed suppression you would always take it against those champions and then they changed Qss to not remove the debuffs of certain champions because it made them harder to balance. Exhaust is kind of doing the same thing now isnt it?

No. Removing a portion of a champions damage is absolutely not even close to completely negating a champions ability or kit design. It's fundamentally different.

Even if it is to a lesser degree it's pretty similar in it's use.

I don't see this comparison either - How is it similar?

Regardless of how I would talk to teammates so that I can be in a counterpick position even if my opponent picks some squishy mage mid and I go Talon or Zed it doesn't matter because they can just snag exhaust and boom guaranteed safety on an all in that I try to do because it either reduces the damage saving them or I have to back off or die. It really sucks to have to position correctly, avoid skillshots, hit skillshots, then burn multiple cooldowns just to have this final uncounterable wall hit you because there is nothing you can do about this button press.

Exhuast has a cooldown and it's very easy to bait. Nerfing it would cause a HUGE buff to burst mages. I am completely against this. Exhausts cooldown is LONGER than most ultimates, so just bait it, then rinse repeat. make him THINK your going in, then pull back once he uses it. **It's less than half your damage, AND he has to predict the damage to exhaust you BEFORE you apply it. **

Worse there is almost 0 decision making with exhaust. Someone going in exhaust them. That's it the math is done. Enemy assassin managed to get through the entire team? Well boom exhaust. Now the adc can either point and click them to death while lifestealing back any damage you may have done or you can burn your escape and walk around useless for a while.

You can apply this logic to over half the abilities in the game. "Someone going in - Exhaust them!" **Literally replace the word Exhaust with ANY CC ability. ** Furthermore, there are multiple situations that can arise in teamfights where you have multiple targets to exhaust and might not immediately know who to nab.

This spell needs some changes because as it stands it punishes certain champions way too hard for a playstyle they are built around.

I completely disagree - it turns off FED players for about 3-4 seconds, which is CRITICAL in high level play. Also, The Support Role isn't exactly doing so hot right now - If you nerf exhaust, mains like me who have existed forever will stop - The role will become even more undesirable.

Edit. Also it really overshadows barrier because why take barrier when exhaust does a similar job + more? There is one offensive use of exhaust and that is exhausting an opponent as you go in on them but you rarely see it used that way.

**Now on this point - you are right. Barrier needs a revamp in a big way. So does Cleanse! **

Subject 51/4/2017, 11:05:27 PM1 votes

When people want to further nerf bottom lane, the same lane that is being shit on. Pretty much every game of mine is either my team wombo combo'ing under the turret or me and my adc getting jumped and beaten senseless under turret. In both cases, the person being jumped on has no chance of counterplay.

Reaper Soraka1/4/2017, 8:31:21 PM1 votes

Zed is a bad example imo. Zeds like to put so much of their damage into boosting their ult damage that it's easy to just brush off with exh. He's so televised on when you need to use it.

Exhaust, while still effective, doesn't work quite as well against other assassins like Kat, Akali or Talon, who can spread out their damage much further.

Leo10241/4/2017, 10:58:39 PM1 votes

tbh, exhaust is a great summoner but the 40% damage reduction is disgusting, coming from an ex support main, it can completely change teamfights when your fed Riven goes in but suddenly does 40% reduced damage

Rebonack1/4/2017, 11:03:11 PM1 votes

It should be split into two Summoners.

One that slows and grounds the target. Another that damage nerfs and resist shreds the target. With the first one you could still fight back. With the second one you can at least run away. With Exhaust you can't really do either.

Blakiepug1/4/2017, 10:53:50 PM1 votes

I literally picked up Exhaust as one of my new favorite summoner spells after Teleport got nerfed hardcore last year. Please do not nerf Exhaust now while Flash is still allowed to run rampant as a "must-take" summoner spell.