Kat needs more nerfs

Chønklord·May 24, 2017·33 votes·1,431 views

To her cooldowns.

There. I said it.

33 Comments

SniperkajMay 24, 201710 votes

She needs nerf to a laning phase. She can eat every skillshot, miss her dagger-spin and miss almost all her ult, still get the kill - and this she can do vs a lot of midlaners. Especially Xerath is pure BS to play into kata.

Ad Astra per AspMay 24, 20174 votes

Without her laning phase she can't even be viable in her current kit, literally mid/late game trash her hard unless she's fed or the other team is boosted bonobos and don't group up vs her. More frequently I'll be high KDA, like 4/0/4 and then the other team just groups up and i lose the game, sucks :( I'd hate to see how hard it is to win if I can't even have a good early game.

HahahahyenaMay 24, 20171 votes

pretty sure unless your team is complete idiots youd just get a n easy penta with kat if they group up. cause guess what she has mroe than enough damage to destroy anyone

Cosmic WarperMay 24, 20174 votes

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She needs nerf to a laning phase. She can eat every skillshot, miss her dagger-spin and miss almost all her ult, still get the kill - and this she can do vs a lot of midlaners. Especially is pure BS to play into kata.

??? her laning phase is fine. You have to learn to play around her daggers. Sorry that the game isn't spoon fed to you

SniperkajMay 24, 20174 votes

Old Kata was a volatile, but managble matchup. New one just walks up to your ranged minions, jukes u with movement speed/ infinite dashes, and kills you the moment u enter her Q range (that means no AAs = no passive = OOM in seconds). Its like playing vs Yasuo - she can only die if she fucks up hard repeatedly.

Cosmic WarperMay 24, 20176 votes

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Old Kata was a volatile, but managble matchup. New one just walks up to your ranged minions, jukes u with movement speed/ infinite dashes, and kills you the moment u enter her Q range (that means no AAs = no passive = OOM in seconds). Its like playing vs Yasuo - she can only die if she fucks up hard repeatedly.

What kind of bullshit is this lmao.

she doesn't have infinite blinks, she has to blink to a dagger or step on one to reset, and it's not even a full reset early game. ( It goes on a 3s cd from levels 1-5)
Her Q dagger will always position linearly 350 units behind the cast target. either position to the opposite side of the wave or wait for that dagger to disappear.
She's nowhere near as bad as yasuo lmao. Low wave clear, no shields, no projectile nullification, no long range harass, no knockup, telegraphed mobility.

Honestly if you can't play against kat in lane you need to learn to play the laning phase better.

HahahahyenaMay 24, 20173 votes

she doesn't have infinite blinks

lol sure she doesnt. she can blink 3 times in quick succession which is more than enough for her to dominate the lane

Low wave clear

you must be blind lmao

no long range harass

what do you call her q?

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What kind of bullshit is this lmao.

youre telling me?

Cosmic WarperMay 24, 20172 votes

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lol sure she doesnt. she can blink 3 times in quick succession which is more than enough for her to dominate the lane

you must be blind lmao

what do you call her q?

youre telling me?

"Quick succession" when her E has a 3s cd post reset until level 6. Try again.

She has low and unsafe waveclear. She needs to be in or behind a minion wave to reliably clear it, leaving her open to harass.

Wow, she Qs you for 195 +30% AP damage with a 625 range 7s cd ability after she hits level 9... such long range and strong harass.

You're just whining because you can't play around both her daggers and her cooldowns.

HahahahyenaMay 24, 20175 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Katarina/Middle

that ~67 winrate 0-25 time length says that shes a god in the laning to early phase

your move besides. arent games ending before the 30 minute mark anyways?

Poro PrincessMay 24, 20172 votes

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She needs nerf to a laning phase. She can eat every skillshot, miss her dagger-spin and miss almost all her ult, still get the kill - and this she can do vs a lot of midlaners. Especially is pure BS to play into kata.

What elo are you that a kat can miss all of that, eat all skillshots and still win the matchup?

JoxcabMay 24, 20175 votes

Why? She's balanced perfectly fine.

Cosmic WarperMay 24, 20174 votes

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Why? She's balanced perfectly fine.

boards whining about a champion that isn't problematic or annoying. What else is new.

CanastusMay 24, 20175 votes

Her laning phase is horrendously broken, her early game has a 67% winrate on its own - there isn't a single champion in the game who comes even close to that. The moment she gets a single kill and/or her Hextech Gunblade finished you can say goodbye to your chances of ever winning against her.

She snowballs harder than any other champ I've seen, period. Katarina is by far the easiest champ to get pentas with.

JoxcabMay 24, 20172 votes

Yeah me too, I find it easy to get pentas against full glass cannon teams that AFK for 10 seconds all grouped together.

CanastusMay 24, 20172 votes

It doesn't matter if you have anyone capable of surviving her initial burst since those who'd be actually capable of taking her down (aka your squishy carries) would be already dead the moment she blinks onto them. After that she simply takes out the rest of the team since there's no way you'd be able to catch or kill her if she keeps up with the damage.

DuskDaUmbreonMay 24, 20175 votes

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Literately no justification to why said change is needed in body
Literately no suggestions for new, "balanced" numbers.

ChønklordMay 24, 20173 votes

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Imperative title

Primary body contains "inb4 triggured (x) mains", "Title", or "I said it"

Literately no justification to why said change is needed in body

Literately no suggestions for new, "balanced" numbers.

^ Shitpost

DuskDaUmbreonMay 24, 20172 votes

So you're not even going to attempt to justify your post? Only call my comment a shitpost?

Cosmic WarperMay 24, 20174 votes

Relevant username

ShablagooMay 24, 20174 votes

Bro she has the most counterplay out of all the assassin now, you literally see where the dagger is landing if you see it walk the opposite direction as it drops. You have no idea how many ppl when running away from kat walk right into the dagger. No matter what state assassins are in they will always be considered broken for some reason. Even though cc destroy's them, plz play kat and learn her weaknesses.

DoodlzzzMay 24, 20173 votes

Shots fired Sees 100 people get instantly triggered

AnhartaminMay 24, 20173 votes

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ChønklordMay 24, 20174 votes

All of those have clear weaknesses;

Once Kat gets to level 6 and/or 1 item and/or 1 kill and/or late game (even with no kills), a decent kat player can just pentakill your whole team like it's nothing.

If you're laning vs kat, you're essentially forced to play something either A. tanky, B. tank/safe, C. Something that scales hard early and into late, D. something with CC. E all of the above.

It limits counterplay options for the majority of mid lane champions. Her shunpo cooldowns lategame are waaaay too aggressive. If she had even half a second longer cooldowns on her shunpo ability, I think it would be the perfect balance.

JoxcabMay 24, 20172 votes

The only way that can happen is if the entire enemy team is made up of fucking idiots or are AFK or if her team does all the work getting them to like 10% health first.

Or, you could just build MR and pick a mage since they can go defensive while maintaining damage, AoE, CC or other utility, range, and burst in teamfights.

That's the point. But her Shunpo dashes are extremely predictable given she needs the fucking dagger if she wants the reset. She has to either to do it directly onto one or right next to one to grab it easily because if she stays for even half a second longer like you say, she will get shredded into dust even easier than she can already be done now. Punish her.

ChønklordMay 24, 20171 votes

What do you think Silver elo is composed of? :P

A decent/good kat in Silver, completely demolishes everyone because they're stupid as fuck. It's what I call the "yi-effect". High damage, high mobility champions in the right hands, do very well at lower elo because the majority of low elo players / teams don't understand what the fuck hard CC means, or how to properly use it in teamfights.

Generally, I've never had any serious problems laning vs kat myself, it's when I'm not laning and someone else is, they tend to feed their ass off to her and it's all downhill from there.

He shunpo is predictable in that regard yes, but when you can shunpo multiple times in one screen area all while dealing huge burst damage, it becomes very difficult to predict, especially when there's a whole team fight happening at the same time.

Cosmic WarperMay 24, 20174 votes

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What do you think Silver elo is composed of? :P

A decent/good kat in Silver, completely demolishes everyone because they're stupid as fuck. It's what I call the "yi-effect". High damage, high mobility champions in the right hands, do very well at lower elo because the majority of low elo players / teams don't understand what the fuck hard CC means, or how to properly use it in teamfights.

Generally, I've never had any serious problems laning vs kat myself, it's when I'm not laning and someone else is, they tend to feed their ass off to her and it's all downhill from there.

He shunpo is predictable in that regard yes, but when you can shunpo multiple times in one screen area all while dealing huge burst damage, it becomes very difficult to predict, especially when there's a whole team fight happening at the same time.

So she deserves to get nerfs because players in silver are retarded? Riot does not and should not balance around low elo.

ChønklordMay 24, 20172 votes

Bronze-Silver-Gold compose the vast majority of the league playerbase; you can't just outright ignore them.

Riot has tweaked champions that were too oppressive in low elo before -- just look what they did to heimerdinger this patch.

IMO, I would feel that a slight increase on her shunpo cooldown would hit the right spot without hurting kat too hard.

FEEDlNG TIMEMay 24, 20173 votes

I just hate her f*cking blink shunpo cancer

XxDRAGONsAK47xXMay 24, 20172 votes

Yeah...

Her ult is up too much...

Stanman073May 25, 20172 votes

Xerath and Kat main here. If you know what youre doing as Xerath you shouldn't lose lane. you can easily shove her into tower and prevent her from roaming. you can bully her easily pre- 6 and just wave clear once she hits 6.

To reply to your statement. Kat is not broken she can easily be countered since u can see where her dmg is now with daggers and can cancel ult easily.

ChønklordMay 25, 20172 votes

I never said she's broken, I said she needs a little more counterplay.