it doesnt require anyone to click on, and he can take someone with him http://i.imgur.com/3SxaJk3.jpg this is his level one ult range
can we fucking buff nocturne's ult please is this a joke
MasterVidallis5 votesSo? They're different champions with completely different kits. Stupid post is stupid.
brad1 votesSo? They're different champions with completely different kits. Stupid post is stupid.
so? nocturnes ult range was destroyed because it was "oppressive" "anti-fun" "low counterplay"
do you remember what the almost did to fucking pantheon?
now they put in a 2 man nocturne/pantheon long range blink
do you see where the logic fails?
IcyPepper2 votesWell, to be fair two different champions with two different kits is a valid point to make. Not every champion's abilities are going to be equally strong, some champion ults are stronger while their basic spells are weaker. It happens.
Tahm's ult doesn't darken the screen, hiding your minimap and your farther allies from vision. It's different, that's a valid point. Is it fair? Maybe not, but I don't think Tahm's ult is going to be oppressive or anti-fun with low counterplay. We'll have to see, in which case Riot will hopefully take your opinion into account. Maybe Nocturne could use a buff (imo, he does. I haven't seen him once in months), maybe Tahm needs a nerf.
Guy Fox Teemo3 votesDid you know, that there are DIFFERENT champions that have DIFFERENT abilities that do DIFFERENT things :D?
SaltyKracka2 votesYou seem to forgot that Nocturne's Ult is not only the global mobility aspect of it. (Although that's more than enough of a difference from Noc, as this ability apparently channels for at least 3 seconds before Tahm can show up anywhere and Noc's Ult can have him on you before you can properly react)
ShuffledPancake2 votesexactly.
doublelift fg1 votesStop with this, who will use nocturne ulti to blind the enemies? or they can just wait 4 sec. Or they can just get banshee so they still have the vision
SaltyKracka1 votes[{quoted}](name=doublelift fg,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lhwEAwRE,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2015-06-24T07:54:52.256+0000)
Stop with this, who will use Tahm ulti to go back to fountain? or they can have vision spread around the map so they know where you're going. Or they can just group so they can engage while you're split up
FTFY. Noc's ult being disruptive and actually having damage and speed attached to an assassin-ish bruiser means that it has an entirely different use case than Tahm's ult.
doublelift fg1 votesnop, tk ulti: go in nocturne ulti: go in the debuff is so weak that you won't use it just to apply the debuff
SaltyKracka2 votesHeaddesk
In case you haven't actually seen the video of TK's ult yet, it is slow. The thing you should think of comparing it to is actually Twisted Fate's ult, for its uses in things such as ganking with a buddy or strategic mobility when splitpushing.
brad2 votesYou seem to forgot that Nocturne's Ult is not only the global mobility aspect of it. (Although that's more than enough of a difference from Noc, as this ability apparently channels for at least 3 seconds before Tahm can show up anywhere and Noc's Ult can have him on you before you can properly react)
i want to say this first, calling nocturnes ult "global mobility" is fucking laughable
second, you are forgetting the part where tahm kench can literally take an ally with him (thats a nocturne ult for two people), the channel is negligible at best because it doesnt give any indication that he has used it to the enemy team
and guess who else's ult can have him on you before you can properly react?
SaltyKracka1 votes[{quoted}](name=hi im bread,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lhwEAwRE,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2015-06-24T19:22:59.254+0000)
i want to say this first, calling nocturnes ult "global mobility" is fucking laughable
Really? That's funny, because it's exactly what Riot has referred to it as every single time it's been brought up.
second, you are forgetting the part where tahm kench can literally take an ally with him (thats a nocturne ult for two people), the channel is negligible at best because it doesnt give any indication that he has used it to the enemy team
No, I'm not forgetting it. TK being strategic mobility for himself and a teammate is literally his ult's entire purpose. Noc's ult serves a different purpose.
and guess who else's ult can have him on you before you can properly react?
Rengar, Pantheon, Twisted Fate.
Were you thinking of any of the three? Because I could argue with you all day about the nuances of the last two.
brad2 voteslook at me i can pick apart an argument too
Really? That's funny, because it's exactly what Riot has referred to it as every single time it's been brought up.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority
No, I'm not forgetting it. TK being strategic mobility for himself and a teammate is literally his ult's entire purpose. Noc's ult serves a different purpose.
what are you trying to say here? one is a long range dash and one is a long range blink both will be used to place yourself, and in the case of tahm kench, an ally on top of an enemy to kill them
if i am wrong would you please correct me on what the different purposes are?
Rengar, Pantheon, Twisted Fate.
Were you thinking of any of the three? Because I could argue with you all day about the nuances of the last two.
SaltyKracka1 votes[{quoted}](name=hi im bread,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lhwEAwRE,comment-id=0000000200000000,timestamp=2015-06-24T21:18:15.153+0000)
You're entirely incorrect, but this is a classic example of both https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy and not actually arguing your point. You disagree? Very well, now argue your goddamn point. Pretending your opponent has used a fallacy is not a substitute for showing he's wrong.
what are you trying to say here? one is a long range dash and one is a long range blink both will be used to place yourself, and in the case of tahm kench, an ally on top of an enemy to kill them
if i am wrong would you please correct me on what the different purposes are?
Noc's ult is A: An extremely long-range targeted dash that deals damage and always puts Noc precisely on top of his target at the end of the dash. B: Vision Denial.
It is used to initiate a fight and have Noc pick out a single target to dive, focus, and hopefully kill.
TK's ult is, as I have said before, most closely a parallel to Twisted Fate's. They have similar ranges, similar cooldowns, and even similar travel times.
The main difference is that TF's ult grants him vision of all enemy champs in order to give him a choice of where to go in and do the most damage; TK's ult requires either amazing coordination in order to not waste time waiting for his teammate to jump in with him before they go, and they either have vision in the area beforehand or TK's ult is going in blind.
Icestar11861 votesIt's actually a Twisted Fate ult for two people. He doesn't target a champion, it has a delay, and it does no damage. Also, they can in fact see where he will come out if they have vision of that spot.
Arsames2 votesYep, buff noc ult range!
thinking man2 votesNoc's a lot more immediately useful coming out of his ult than Tahm is and he doesn't have a delay
doublelift fg1 votesnoc has nothing, he is forced to be built as a bruiser and needs 8-9 seconds to kill someone
straight4free1 votesOK, is anybody else confused by that tooltip? It hardly mentions what the ult active actually does, except that you can take someone with you.
Icestar11861 votesTahm's ult is highly telegraphed and is better used for flanking than a direct initiate. They can see where you're going (as opposed to Nocturne or TF), it does no damage (as opposed to Nocturne or Pantheon), and he's a low-damage tank (as opposed to all three).
Kut Ku1 votesthis ult range seems too short, how am i supposes to ult my adc to the enemy basecamp early/mid game? 
