kalista e did 1400 damage on baron yesterday in lcs at level 14 (C9 vs TL)

brad·Feb 1, 2015·41 votes·6,571 views

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48 Comments

Truly PridefulFeb 1, 201538 votes

Should definitely have a damage cap against monsters, she has an easy time hitting the stacks to out-smite smite.

AltricadFeb 1, 20154 votes

^THIS, So much this.

Every single % damage in the game has a cap aganist monsters since they can be abused at times. The team with kalista can easily secure baron/dragon, damage cap is probably the easiest way to fix it without messing up her kit in other ways.

7ha7guy777Feb 1, 20156 votes

what's Malzahar 's W capped at?

AltricadFeb 1, 20157 votes

120 to minions and monsters -_-

Learn to use wikia before posting anything smart

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Malzahar

EDIT: if that was an honest question, then sorry if I sounded harsh :P

7ha7guy777Feb 2, 20152 votes

no problem. i was just wondering since i don't remember it being stated on the tooltip and ap Malzahar at full build would have the easiest Baron solo if it wasn't capped

maikokkFeb 2, 20151 votes

not fizz W active, which can be procd multiple times on hit

blueberrypancakeFeb 2, 20151 votes

Mundo doesn't have it, unless its just not on the tooltip.

CerbearusFeb 2, 20154 votes

MAX DAMAGE VERSUS MONSTERS: 300 / 400 / 500 / 600 / 700

Pretty damn high damage cap, but it is % current health so it wouldnt do shit to secure stuff.

RaptameiFeb 2, 20152 votes

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Should definitely have a damage cap against monsters, she has an easy time hitting the stacks to out-smite smite.

Smite her instead. No HP.

TalamareFeb 1, 201516 votes

It's not like the forums haven't been complaining that she is a broken champion

lojicianFeb 1, 201515 votes

It's not just that she's broken. It's that she's broken in such an idiotic, hypocritical way that you want to slap ghostcrawler and tell him it's shit like this that makes people think he's biased.

bradFeb 1, 20151 votes

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It's not like the forums haven't been complaining that she is a broken champion

its not like theres a reason for it

SpongebobIsLifeFeb 1, 20152 votes

but she isn't broken..

InsaneSamuraiFeb 1, 201513 votes

She has to attack it for a long time to build up that much damage. So they had good enough map control to use it. Seems ok to me(specifically the dmg, other things about her likely need to be tweaked cause she's acting wierd lately).

bradFeb 1, 20156 votes

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She has to attack it for a long time to build up that much damage. So they had good enough map control to use it. Seems ok to me(specifically the dmg, other things about her likely need to be tweaked cause she's acting wierd lately).

so basically what ur saying is that she has to just do baron

baron has over 10k health it doesnt die fast

NarasimhaFeb 1, 20159 votes

Kalista does not have over 10k health.

She dies very quickly.

Ale non è maleFeb 2, 20152 votes

She has to attack Baron without being disturbed for 30 seconds. Any ADC that goes with someone to tank baron damage can deal that same amount of damage to Baron in 30 seconds

Knight DevoutFeb 2, 20153 votes

but they don't get the Smite . Kalista doesn't deal that damage with many autoattacks, she deals that damage in a single last burst that outdamages smite and prevent steals.

That's why they are complaining, not the damage itself.

Ale non è maleFeb 2, 20152 votes

The other ADCs can kill baron FASTER than Kalista. The fact that kailsta got the "1400 damage" smite is irrelevant if she has that kind of burst because she has dealt less damage than the other ADCs in the same time span to stack it

So, I see why tey are complaining, but I don't think that the QQ about it make much sense

ParoeMay 20, 20161 votes

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The other ADCs can kill baron FASTER than Kalista. The fact that kailsta got the "1400 damage" smite is irrelevant if she has that kind of burst because she has dealt less damage than the other ADCs in the same time span to stack it

So, I see why tey are complaining, but I don't think that the QQ about it make much sense

"KALISTA OP NUUUUUUURRRRRFFFFFFF"

People just dont seem to realize that kalista does the same amount of damage as other ADCs, but unlike other ADCs, has an ability designed to execute. It also takes an unrealistic amount of stacks to do as much damage as people complain about.

PDE5 InhibMay 20, 20161 votes

I mean, think about how good smite would be if it did 1500 damage...but over 3 seconds instead. More damage doesn't always mean better :)

JustMyBassCannonFeb 2, 20156 votes

It's allowed because it's an infinitely stacking effect plus a burst spell.

Nashor has 120 Armor, so to deal 1400 damage in one hit, it needs to be 3080 pre-armor damage.

Kalista's Rend deals 60 (+60% AD), plus 32 (+30% AD) more per extra stack. At level 14, Kalista has 93 base AD, so Rend on its own deals 115.8 (+59.9 per extra stack) damage. To deal 1400 damage with that, she needs to land 50 attacks on Baron (which, at her innate AS of 0.920, takes about 55 seconds). If we assume she had 100 more AD and, say, +50% bonus AS, it would take 32 attacks and about 26 seconds.

Basically, it's not hard to set up if Kalista can get about 20-30 seconds to fight Baron.

My opinion on the subject? Make Rend deal half damage to monsters. Since it's infinitely stacking flat damage, it doesn't make sense to just give it a hard cap.

LytebulbFeb 1, 20153 votes

Brad thread.

bradFeb 2, 20155 votes

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Brad thread.

that me

CrankyChipmonkFeb 2, 20153 votes

And Cho'gath Ult does 1000 (with no ap) at lvl 6, while granting him health, without needing to stack it up. Yes it's an ult but it's also more powerfull. I don't think the kalista E is unreasonably strong.

Lajinn5Feb 2, 20152 votes

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And Cho'gath Ult does 1000 (with no ap) at lvl 6, while granting him health, without needing to stack it up. Yes it's an ult but it's also more powerfull. I don't think the kalista E is unreasonably strong.

Its unreasonably strong when you include the fact that killing ANYTHING with it also resets the cooldown on rend. But it's dumb as hell that its not capped, when every other skill in the game that can do comparable damage is capped. Cho'Gath's ult also does so much because it's his ULT, and him using it on baron means he can't use it if you fight them at baron. There's a reasonable tradeoff for using it to secure the baron.

CrankyChipmonkFeb 2, 20151 votes

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Its unreasonably strong when you include the fact that killing ANYTHING with it also resets the cooldown on rend. But it's dumb as hell that its not capped, when every other skill in the game that can do comparable damage is capped. Cho'Gath's ult also does so much because it's his ULT, and him using it on baron means he can't use it if you fight them at baron. There's a reasonable tradeoff for using it to secure the baron.

I should rephrase, I do believe the ability is too strong, but I do not think the fact that it can do a large amount of damage to baron after stacking it many times is a valid reason. The reset mechanic is way too strong in fights.

It can't even be used to steal while cho can easily flash ult steal.

AHeroNamedHawkeFeb 2, 20151 votes

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And Cho'gath Ult does 1000 (with no ap) at lvl 6, while granting him health, without needing to stack it up. Yes it's an ult but it's also more powerfull. I don't think the kalista E is unreasonably strong.

An ult is more powerful than a basic ability

Thanks tips

Also as pointed out her E easily breaks 1400 damage post mitigation on a standard baron attempt

Imperial JapanFeb 2, 20152 votes

Cho ult at lvl 6 is 100 dmg and your complaining about kalistas e? She only does that much dmg due to hitting it tons of times. It's like saying "omg nasus had 1000 stacks and 1 shot me and I don't have any armor, why is that aloud?" Or with veigar

Killer X 12Feb 1, 20151 votes

I stopped playing normals right after she came out. I played a few normals while she was on live. I supported for her and it was fun. Played the other side and realized what i had been doing to people. Shit is so lame.

Rock MDFeb 1, 20151 votes

I've seen her do 4k to Baron with a rend.

CaeziumFeb 2, 20151 votes

You mean seen her do 4k dmg with it? (Pls fix your post)

MrSc0ttyFeb 1, 20151 votes

How much does Kogs W do to baron over the course of a baron fight?

Fed by Snu SnuFeb 1, 20158 votes

ACTIVE: For 8 seconds, Kog'Maw's attacks gain range and deal a percentage of the target's maximum health as additional magic damage (caps at 100 against minions and monsters).

Plus, it's not the total that matters. The ability to do it instantly is much more valuable. You can steal baron from a kog'maw, despite him doing it fast. You will NEVER steal a baron from a Kalista.

t3hcollectiveFeb 1, 20153 votes

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How much does Kogs W do to baron over the course of a baron fight?

Who cares? He can't function as a 2nd smite to secure baron.

Enraged PigletMay 20, 20161 votes

that's part of her kit, if we look at any champions individual kit we can say why can they do this when x and y can't or look at that isn't that op he can do this when no one else can who cares if he's urgot and is really not very good.

RdePZ6L3ruFeb 2, 20151 votes

They forgot to cap Fizz's W active. Everybody quick abuse it!

Fizz is not FishFeb 2, 20151 votes

It is not capped on PBE but capped on patch 5.2, just undocumented.

AJapaneseGoblinFeb 2, 20151 votes

WHAT BULLSHIT WOW

Hell WeekFeb 2, 20151 votes

ask this guy - Veigar

B3ERFeb 2, 20151 votes

Can we just delete Kalista, Azir and Gnar?

GunpointFeb 2, 20152 votes

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Can we just delete Kalista, Azir and Gnar?

I like Azir and Gnar, good concepts, Kalista is just a toxic concept of being able to kite and move so easily, the problem the OP brought up and that problem together is just too much.

GunpointFeb 2, 20151 votes

Cho'Gath tho.

4nth0l0gyFeb 2, 20151 votes

Infinite scaling brah makes perfect sense

GundayMondayFeb 2, 20151 votes

I don't even smite anymore when I have a Kalista on my team. Better to save it for team fighting than securing objectives.

HauntMay 20, 20161 votes

HildebrandMay 20, 20161 votes

I mean they could make the max damage for rend scale with Kalista's level to the point of being the same as smite.

However, I believe that currently max damage caps are applied before, resitences, therefore making it a weaker version of smite, which, probably isn't good, because, let's be honest, Kalista is picked for buff control.

Another thing of note, is Nunu's devour ability, seeing as how it is essentially a better smite, you don't really ever outsmite Nunu, either, but considering his rarity, it's not really considered an issue.