Thanks Rito... bronzies in gold

woodvsmurph··2 votes·1,079 views

Just finished a game where I was mildly toxic again thanks to extensive unwarranted provocation by my teammates. And of course I will face potential punishment due to past behavior or at least setback in honor gains even though my toxic inting teammates will face nothing despite having been the ones to start it and to have no justification for their behavior.

Situation: renek vs darius top - level 2 cheese ganked by noc. I escape despite double flashes being blown on me. Noc continues to camp and control visions such that I can't contest vision w/o non-existent jg help and must play safe. Despite many ganks onto me and lack of ability to ward river w/o dying for clearing control ward, I survive laning phase with 1v1 kill pressure, about even in cs, up in xp and 0/0/0 kda.

I look to create side lane pressure since I easily win 1v1 and can probably escape 1v2 if I have flash and ult up. I use pings and chat to let team know I want to create pushing minion waves to force enemy team to split up and either I can 1v1 or look to make tp plays around drag and later around baron. But instead of wait a whole 5-20 sec for me to set up minion pressure and make a tp flank on their team, my team FORCES engages on 5 enemies and gets aced. Not once, not twice, but something like FIVE fights in a row. Drag wasn't spawning yet where they had to force the fight or lose the objective; they literally just inted before I could possibly join; can't tp into a 1v5 or 1v4 when enemy team is all healthy. Darius ends up something like 5/0/2 midgame after he couldn't get a single kill 2v1 in lane. And what does my team do? Learn from their mistake and stop FORCING 4v5? No. It's "trash top" and selfish top. How dare the jerk set up pressure and give us potential easy 5v4 fights... we need to fight NOW. Not 5-20 sec from now when objective is up and minions get us free tower if enemy doesn't send someone to clear the wave. Entire team blaming me all game for THEIR stupidity and being very toxic.

I end up turning around a lost inhib tower defense after bot lane screws up. Do I get a thank you? No, I get a fuck you. I mostly 5v5 after this even though it is perfectly possible for my team to enable me to split if they are gold elo competent... but sadly they all in bronze. Hence why I still get flamed for clearing a side lane after that fight but a trist can solo push 4x and die 1v1 to a fed enemy nocturne. And even if she didn't die to noc, it would be the fed enemy fizz or darius. All of whom she can't 1v1 and can't escape from very easily... meaning there's no excuse for her to BE solo pushing. I'd excuse one time, but 4x of solo pushing and dying - once when team has baron? Just group; you are adc and not even a 1v1 adc like vayne or quinn where you have some excuse for splitting. But does team harass her in the slightest for splitpushing or 1v1 dying 4x? No. Just the toplaner with tp has no business splitting... even though he can 1v1 anyone on enemy team.

Where is the freaking logic? This isn't bronze elo. It's gold. People as illogical, toxic, and hell bent on intentional feeding as my teammates don't deserve to be in this elo. Their intelligence is bronze at best... and there's even people in bronze smarter than they were. Moreover, it's the toxicity. While they avoided extremely bad words... the sheer volume, invalid nature of their complaints and accusations, and lack of any redeeming useful info in their claims mean they should probably not even be allowed to play in their proper bronze elo... because I wouldn't wish such toxic noobs on poor bronze players. Even if you are bronze, you deserve non-toxic teammates.

Did I get a bit toxic myself? Yes, I'm sad to say 20+ min of 4 inting teammates all flaming the shit out of me with no logic to their complains and ignoring well-explained and thought-out strategies gold and even SILVER elo players are capable of executing got to me. But unlike them, I didn't spend the entire game flaming my team. Moreover, I still helped my team; something none of them can say about themselves (helping me). And finally, unlike any of their unfounded toxicity, what I said was entirely true and logical for anyone in even upper bronze to understand and agree with if they aren't so blindly focused on flaming a teammate. Sadly, none of them will face any threat of discipline the way the current system works. Toxicity/flame/harass in chat detection needs to be improved because too much flies under the radar. And inting needs to be punished. It doesn't matter if you are "fighting back" to try to win a fight... inting is inting. Yes we all mess up here and there, but if it's a full game trend of putting yourself in the same hopeless fights over and over again, THAT is when it becomes inting. Because you, your opponents, your teammates, and even your MOTHER know you can't win that fight and need to stop FORCING it. *bad kda does not equal inting nor does good kda mean you didn't it. Inting is repeatedly taking fights you and everyone else KNOWS you can't win and feeding away kills and map pressure and/or objectives to the enemy team because of it. It is no more excusable than toxicity in chat, it has no less effect on your teammates (tilt, chance to win, positive behavior vs negative behavior) than toxicity in chat, yet it is currently written off as "bad game" in almost every single scenario. I don't have to run it down lane doing 0 dmg and going 6 tears to int. I can do it by simply forcing fights over and over again that I have no business taking and no hope of my team winning. Even if I'm "trying" to win by doing damage to my opponents, that doesn't mean it's not inting. Screwing my team over repeatedly without need is inting even if it's my teammates who pay with their lives and I survive somehow. This is different from some poor soul forcing a last-ditch fight to try to stop the enemy team from ending the game. That would not be inting because it is: necessary force, working WITH their team as BEST as possible given the options available. Let's stop freaking out about every potential abuse of "inting" report option, stop excusing REAL inting for fear of false inting being punished, and get rid of this toxic behavior which ends up breeding much more toxic behavior (revenge inting, tilt inting, toxic chat) than toxic chat.

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Baval2 votes

The only bronze like player in this situation is you. A gold player can adapt to situations, and your team was confident in their teamfight abilities. You should have been going with the teams plan rather than trying to enforce what you thought was the best option. You could have been backing up the Trist who was pushing instead of watching her die and calling her an idiot here.

Also your definition of inting is completely off.

woodvsmurph1 votes

I was halfway across map with no tp. How the hell am I supposed to back up adc like that? Especially if she intentionally runs away from her team so she can solo push? I can't do shit about that and I never called her an idiot; don't put words in my mouth.

If I can adapt... guess what... so can my team. I didn't mess up; they did. The other team was enabling their members to do exactly what I was doing only they didn't even have tp. Trist was attempting to do exactly what I was trying to do and the team did not flame her even though she COULDN'T do what I COULD. And we did our best to enable her and give her the best chance possible (yes, me included), so my team is definitely capable of understanding what I wanted to do and enabling it... they just stupidly weren't willing to do so for the guy who was actually EQUIPPED to do it. And not just were they unwilling to, but they were actually toxic towards me for attempting it - AFTER I very clearly explained everything and made sure they were aware; which is more than you can expect from someone at this elo. And THAT is the issue.

You allow one person to do something knowing it's a bad idea and do your best to enable them. When it repeatedly fails and hurts your team, you don't say a single negative thing about or to them. But when someone else who goes out of his way to ensure you are aware and play accordingly goes to do the same thing only... he can actually succeed at it... you go do something dumb over and over again and flame him. There's a complete lack of logic in their actions.

If you were to be repairing a car that currently didn't have brakes and told me to not drive it while you ran to get new parts so we could install them... and they I go and drive the car and get seriously injured in an accident and sue you and try to beat you up after I get out of the hospital... what judge would actually side with me? No sane one, but that's essentially what my team did. I said... don't drive this car, I'll be back with the parts real soon and we can fix it for you to drive. Only they didn't listen, they got injured, and they sued me. And they didn't do this ONE time. NO, they did it 5 times in a row. People with that kind of logic and toxicity do not belong ruining other people's games; not mine, not yours, not anyone's.

Baval2 votes

"I was halfway across the map with no TP"

well whos fault was that? You knew what her plan was and chose not to follow her when she left the group. You saw her do it multiple times.

"I didnt mess up they did, they should have adapted to my plan"

4 people had a plan, you had a different one. Guess whos supposed to adapt in that situation?

Youll never get anywhere with these attitudes. Hope i dont get you in one of my games.

also "i never called her an idiot"

lmao

woodvsmurph1 votes

At this point, you are doing nothing but harass me. You don't read anything and only put words into people's mouths to write your own story how you want it to appear; not discuss reality. Look if you have some ptsd over a game, that's fine, but it wasn't THIS game so don't go projecting YOUR experience onto other people's games as if you know what happened. If 4 people want to jump off a bridge and commit suicide, that's THEIR fault. I tried to stop them. They don't wanna listen, then there's nothing I can do. As the trist example shows, they were perfectly capable of understanding my goals and playing around them... because we TRIED doing that with trist split. The fact they wouldn't with me just shows a bias against me.

It's my fault for letting trist run out alone? Oh, forgive me for recalling to base when I'm 1/4 hp from helping team secure baron. Obviously I should stay out with 2k gold to spend at 1/4 hp to babysit an adc that should also be basing to shop. Do you even THINK? Clearly no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3wSrtVEKfo&feature=youtu.be

This vid right here shows how my team COULD have played and how I planned to play off splitpush and minion wave manipulation pressure. The results could have easily been exactly like this game, but for my teammates inting and flaming me rather than confront themselves and their mistakes. I was pretty tired this game, so it is sub-par for me, but you can see what I'm STILL capable of. Pulling lots of map pressure and dying to give my team winning teamfights. Forcing enemies to split up and deal with giant minion waves instead of taking objectives. Flanking to lock down enemies and break their sieges. Setting up minion wave pushes and STILL BEING THERE IN TIME for objectives. Warning my team when to back off because I'm leaving to clear a wave or rotate to an objective. Letting my team know when tp is on cd. Pinging out my rotation plans. Warding effectively. Not wrecklessly feeding. Not being a giant baby about every time I get ganked or die.

This is how the other match COULD have easily gone, only even BETTER because I was in a stronger position and less tired/more map aware. Good teammates do what's best for the TEAM. They don't braindead engage outnumbered fights for no reason even if they're ahead. My teammates had multiple chances to do that this game and throw, but they were smart enough to THINK before diving at the nearest enemy and blowing everything on them just because they're in vision. It's literally THAT simple.

Baval1 votes

whatever helps you sleep at night bud

also lol recalling after a baron which apparently was contested and you won. the worst time to be trying to shop. Everything you say points more and more to you had no idea what you were doing and your team did.

Im not sure why youd show me a video of you getting caught all game long and your team bailing you out to prove anything, but whatever floats your boat.

Solicitude2 votes

tl;dr past the first paragraph and i dont think there is any point in reading past that.

Just finished a game where I was mildly toxic again thanks to extensive unwarranted provocation by my teammates. And of course I will face potential punishment due to past behavior or at least setback in honor gains even though my toxic inting teammates will face nothing despite having been the ones to start it and to have no justification for their behavior.

In here there are 2 things that the vast majority of suspended players that bring it on the boards say.

  1. I was "mildly" toxic
  2. "They started it"

If you were "mildly" toxic, why dont you post your chat logs and let the community decide that? Otherwise why should anyone believe you? Also, there never is justification in toxicity. The excuse "But, mom, they started it" never works. You are judged by your own actions, not others'. As for your teammates, how are you so sure they wont get suspended if they were toxic?

woodvsmurph1 votes

My team 4v5 forced fights 5x in a row AFTER I very clearly communicated to NOT engage. They were not engaged on or caught out... they forced. Thus, the results of the fight are on THEM not me nor my opponents. But they put all blame on me when they get aced. They were very rude about it... the entire game. The ENTIRE GAME.

There was NO REASON to force the fights they did. Ex: drag is spawning in 30 sec... let me set up minion push top and tp to the fight. I'm ready to tp right when drag is spawning, but look my entire team just died. I couldn't even tp in time to have a chance of joining if I didn't push the wave because nocturne ult and team dies in 4 sec or less. So why are they FORCING the engage? Sure, I understand messing up ONCE. But 5x in a row taking the same dumb fight? Learn. Don't excuse your mistakes away as... stupid top with tp is being selfish and splitting. You KNEW I was splitting, you weren't about to lose some objective by waiting a whole TEN SECONDS - I would be there in time for objective spawn EVERY TIME if you just chilled and waited a TINY bit.

Thus, team is inting. And not just inting, but calling me trash, selfish, idiot, etc. for THEIR dumb plays they keep repeating. So 20+ minutes of 4 teammates inting their butts off and blaming everything on me and I say ONE reply to them. I don't go anywhere beyond what they've said. And unlike their unfounded toxic behavior, I am entirely backed up in saying their play was DUMB.

How do I know they won't face any punishment? Because I've seen players like this a million times and gotten MAYBE 5 "player has been disciplined" feedback report. Because I know there's plenty of non-toxic non-apes in soloqueue, yet I keep running into them... thus they are clearly not being punished or the sheer number of them would drop over time. And because of other experiences. Such as having a post removed from the boards for calling out a player for shouting pure nonsense and having no backing for his argument. We've all seen such posts where the only support for their claim that they can give is "I'm right". So I got my post removed and told it was toxic. Meanwhile this guy had called every diana main a crybaby and personally insulted my intelligence and called me a liar when I cited facts such as winrate for champs. And did they do anything about his posts? I spent an hour in chat with 2 moderators/boards members discussing the issue only to hear them say... he has valid points and you should be more respectful and open minded. So forgive me having no faith in the system.

Dragneels1 votes

I feel you bro lol, I get trash bronzies in gold elo every game. Riot's matchmaking system is fucked up and they either don't know how to fix it or they don't bother to. What do you expect from a trash company. Just quit the game, live your life and I guarantee you will be happier than you've ever been. Or maybe switch to a different game such as Fortnite, where the company pays streamers to quit league and play their game.

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