I would rather watch lane swaps in LCS than deal with this

Josh Sand··90 votes·19,135 views

I understand the original argument that was made against "boring" LCS games, where professionals were constantly lane swapping in their matches, but you know what's even more boring than being a league spectator that sees the same strategies repeated over and over again? Being a league player and seeing the exact same strategy play out in 90% of your solo q games.

I watch professional matches each week, but I easily play 3x - 4x that amount of games each week. if not more. And I imagine most of the player-base does as well. As an LCS spectator, I'm willing to put up with some predictability in the matches I watch, if it means that I get more variance in the matches I'm playing in.

When a game has regular, predictable curves of tension, it quickly becomes stale and boring - and the ensuing outcomes feel arbitrary. I don't know how many times my ADC has generated a good CS lead and I thought to myself, "our lane is going great," only to see a 4 man play into bottom before the 15 minute mark. The dozens of decisions we made over 10 minutes to generate that advantage is essentially nullified as the gold is just going to swing to whatever team crashed into bot tower first.

This wasn't always a problem. My favorite early ward to place was behind the dragon pit, so the team could sniff out and reposition in response to any southward roams from the mid laner - but nowadays, vision is completely strangled out in the early game. Even a jungler with a supportive, vision based playstyle can't help there anymore, thanks to the removal of Tracker's Knife (again, for the LCS lolz).

But still, it feels like every mid-game of league is the exact same story:

  • 4 man into bot tower
  • Take dragon
  • Take more towers as 5 (because the opposing ADC is too weak to team fight)
  • Take control of enemy jungle
  • Force enemy to face check baron, or just get it for free

I've been playing this game for 5 years, and not once has my laning performance ever felt so inconsequential. Not once has the game felt completely decided before the 15 minute mark. It doesn't feel remotely as strategic as it used to be, and I'm just really tired of it, because I love the shit out of this game, and I want to keep enjoying it for as long as I can play - but this is just a sad state that it's in right now.

I know that changes are made to the game to make LCS more spectator-friendly, but honestly, what's the point if the actual game itself isn't any fun to play? Most of the people in those seats are players, not pure spectators - and I think it's time that the game's design reflected that again.

38 Comments

Krully30 votes

couldnt give a toss about lcs, so to have the game turned into a snowball five man death ball after a certain point because really takes the fun out of league , used to enjoy top, mid and jungle outside of ranked since I play support there, but these shit show changes have made me play a lot as support and rarely mid as it just isnt fun when a single mistake costs you the lane

Ahristocats7 votes

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couldnt give a toss about lcs

and who could give a toss about what you thinK?

that's right, repertoir already dealt with this shit, not everyone is "uhu duhu idc about pro" there is a large crowd in league that cares about lcs or pro, or like me used to care about it because i had FUN watching it until riot ruined pro making it going from 50% of pros having a signature champion to this shit

i would enjoy lcs if riot made it great again, and i also care about the balance right there because the vast majority of this game imitates what pros do which means the balance in lcs impacts the balance in soloq

AirKingNeo9 votes

Issue with proplay is the only viable teamcomp for the past 2.5 years is ADC-Tank teamfight deathball comp. Whatever happened to poke comps, siege comps, or something unique?

Can't do assassins because supports are super fucking strong and they can't teamfight. Conqueror does jack shit because the 4 second charge makes it bad for teamfights (making strong anti-tank effects isn't fixing the tank issue). Conqueror works for splitpushing, but there's too many anti-splitpush mechanics.

GayFluffyUnicorn4 votes

It's kinda funny how i predicted it and everyone was like "zomfg rofl lulz conq so op gonna warp the entire game". Now people realize it is just a shitty PTA. Yes cool in splitpush but splitpush is pretty much dead and buried for a long time now. Meanwhile reddit propaganda strikes again today praising riot for conq and that it needs nerfs because of how strong it is LUL.

Automated Riven21 votes

I miss they days when anivia was banned 95% of the time against froggen without a care in the world about who was meta, because they knew that if he got her then the chances of them winning plummeted. Even the koreans paid the respect ban in worlds to him. Now nobody even cares because the OP picks are so much more valuble he cant even play her.

Ahristocats10 votes

[{quoted}](name=Automated Riven,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=legb0E3v,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2018-04-14T00:10:36.918+0000)

I miss they days when anivia was banned 95% of the time against froggen

froggen anivia misaya tf insec lee sin xpeke kassadin darien warwick

those people forced bans in almost all of their game, but it's just like you said you literally have no more things like that because riot ruined the balance in pro with the changes to casual play

i don't blame them for that we need to take care of casual but they really need to make huge changes to make pro good once again without destroying casual

the galio nerf on pbe is good at this, his R doesn't matter in soloq nerfing the cd by a lot is a good change to balance him in pro

xmptwdd2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Je suis Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=legb0E3v,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-04-13T23:05:40.138+0000) making it going from 50% of pros having a signature champion to this shit

lz kz is still watchable

CppL5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Je suis Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=legb0E3v,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-04-13T23:05:40.138+0000)

and who could give a toss about what you thinK?

that's right, repertoir already dealt with this shit, not everyone is "uhu duhu idc about pro" there is a large crowd in league that cares about lcs or pro, or like me used to care about it because i had FUN watching it until riot ruined pro making it going from 50% of pros having a signature champion to this shit

i would enjoy lcs if riot made it great again, and i also care about the balance right there because the vast majority of this game imitates what pros do which means the balance in lcs impacts the balance in soloq

By the downvotes you have ,it seems nobody gives a shit what you think son.

GigglesO3 votes

I think he likes to farm down votes

Daedric Etwahl2 votes

He always seems to have some sort of ridiculous condescending air everywhere I see him.

GigglesO1 votes

I mean the game is about him and only him right? Just like how we should trust riot with how we want to play the game right?

Krully1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Je suis Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=legb0E3v,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-04-13T23:05:40.138+0000)

and who could give a toss about what you thinK?

that's right, repertoir already dealt with this shit, not everyone is "uhu duhu idc about pro" there is a large crowd in league that cares about lcs or pro, or like me used to care about it because i had FUN watching it until riot ruined pro making it going from 50% of pros having a signature champion to this shit

i would enjoy lcs if riot made it great again, and i also care about the balance right there because the vast majority of this game imitates what pros do which means the balance in lcs impacts the balance in soloq

im willing to bet a lot more people dont care about lcs then do care about it.

Daedric Etwahl3 votes

Or at the very least care about THEIR games more than lcs

PhantomGG16 votes

Can confirm as someone who has recently gotten into coaching this year, and spending that time studying solo que vods to see what the best stratagies are, it really comes down to the following.

-IF you aren't bot lane, gank bot lane the moment you have a major power spike -Immediately take first blood bot tower for they are made out of glass -Proceed to dragon, if your team is still healthy, rotate mid and kill it, rotate top and kill it -Enemy team can't counter for their adc got to screwed over and is unable to group due to not even having Infinity edge completed or the bare minimum of a hurricane.

Stay grouped as much as you can and force objectives for the enemy team mathmatically can not fight your team.

Luckily for most silvers, most adcs are fucking morons who refuse to group and even when on the winning team, will just solo split push bot lane and die over and over again claiming they "need farm"

Bitch just shut the fuck up and group so we can end this game pre 30 minutes

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

LOL that last part is so true and frustrates the shit out of me playing on my smurf. Am literally a 13/1 jax just steamrolling them but can't really end the game without the adc because they have to farm their three items so that THEY can carry. It can not be that someone else than them carries the game.

AquariusGine12 votes

The fact that the game has become so predictable saddens me. I love this game very much but I feel so frustrated with the direction Riot has decided to take.

GayFluffyUnicorn16 votes

What frustrates me the most is a big part of this shitty community trying to create this myth that league "just evolved" into 5 men deathballs because "people got better at the game and figured the most optimal playstyle out". When here in reality land riot just destroyed every tactic or strategy and basically forced the deathball meta to be the only viable one.

GigglesO2 votes

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When here in reality land riot just destroyed every tactic or strategy and basically forced the deathball meta to be the only viable one.

Upvote this man for speaking the truth. We wouldn't want anything different to ever happen in our games.

6KEMBE4ORBA2 votes

Too much stupid people in all brackets of elo.

You can't explain it to them - they're delusional.

The game has turned into a constant tf deathmatch with zero strategy behind it.

Slice n Dice em11 votes

what they need to do is just remove extra gold from first blood tower. Then there would be less incentive to take first tower, sure getting tower would still give the team gold but it won't be priority.

Verxint10 votes

What really bothers me about the 4 man bot dives is that they don't even seem skillfull. I'd be fine if coordinated and we'll executed dives were rewarded but most of the time it's more like a bunch of fish flopping around yet they still get to succeed

Risen293 votes

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What really bothers me about the 4 man bot dives is that they don't even seem skillfull. I'd be fine if coordinated and we'll executed dives were rewarded but most of the time it's more like a bunch of fish flopping around yet they still get to succeed

Weak turrets probably play a big role in that.

GigglesO8 votes

Too high of damage allowing easy kills is probably more accurate.

Ryrynounet2 votes

why not both ?

ChuShoe6 votes

To be honest, I don't understand wow anyone watches professional play of any game. Sports? boring. LCS? Boring. Pro CS:GO? Boring.

6KEMBE4ORBA2 votes

You're wrong about CS.

CS is pure raw skill, something LoL will never have. And it shows even in the pro matches.

I myself play CS extremely rarely now (I should play it more) but if I catch some pro tournament stream - it always consists of pure display of skill, outplay and strategy.

LoL _had _ some of that.

With all the stupid changes that Riot implemented I would say there is almost nothing left.

ChuShoe1 votes

It's cool if you find CS:GO exciting, I myself used to play it a bunch, and I'd love to get back into it. As for Pro play, I can see how you'd find it exciting, especially with how based around strategy and tactics it is. But as for me, I really don't find it interesting at all.

Badnik961 votes

you've never watched pro smash bros then. shit is hype

ChuShoe1 votes

Wow all fox no items final destination How hype

*Before you tell me I'm wrong about that, wow you're right, they have what, like 3 other S tier characters and rotate between like 3 maps that are basically all the exact same thing? That's boring.

*EDIT Comp rules are unfun. Items make the game uncontrollable chaos and I love it, and final smashes make people very desperate. I know people will disagree, but as a casual player, comp rules are so boring.

Blåbæret6 votes

LCS is more boring than ever. They didn't solve shit and made everything worse. The balance team doesn't know what they're doing. We've had enough now.

TheLegendaddy5 votes

Was just having a conversation similar to this post earlier today, about how Riot is committing so hard with esports and team oriented game, that they're completely forgetting about their majority being players in solo queue. We are not pro, and most of the play in pros is completely unrelatable. We do not have 4 other friends (who are adults with responsibilities) that we can spam team queue all day and execute amazing strategies such as ward clearing for 20minutes. I lost interest in pro play awhile ago for that reason. Nothing we see in pro play will ever be done in solo queue.

This season has been quite unenjoyable. "The climb" is nothing but a "Pain in my ass." Good post, I agree with it entirely.

MuffledGarbage4 votes

I swear if Riot had removed the Tower fortification buff from the toplane or midlane tower instead of botlane, we wouldn't be in this situation cause toplaners and midlaners generally have better waveclear than botlane as a whole(with the exception of Stattic Shiv users, but Shiv is just broken AF in waveclear anyways)

Power Cosmic3 votes

Good post. My feeling is the meta is literally to stop people from playing, because of the high amount of damage everyone does. Most champs should do important things, other than damage, and burst should have to be chained like cc; which would be fun.

VelvetCrotch3 votes

Wow. What an objektiv, well rounded text. I cannot agree more with you. The last and this year is decided by two things: botlane and who snowballs early as a team more.

I had a few games where I flamed botlane for losing the botlane tower before min 10 and to die too much. Then I saw that they only died twice got a cs lead and an even kda ratio, just the midlander and jungles roamed the sh*t out of them.

And I can be 100% sure if the botlane tower is lost that early jungler, toplaner and botlane will dive me under there turret with herald at min 12-15. Even if I hold top easy or even helped mid cuz I stomped top.

It's hilarious and toxic meta.

And can only speak for myself, but I DONT watch LCS - (I just know Faker and xPeke), and I DONT want to watch it. I just want to play the game, I play since late 2012. (!!!!!)

Trias0003 votes

#boycottlcs

5050BS2 votes

I haven't watched a LCS game for two years. I dont miss anything.

mack91121 votes

I always embrace change and can't wait to see what will happen next if you watch the behind the scene videos riot releases you can really see the passion the developers have for this game .

guseul881 votes

lcs is only thing that matters which is completely retarded and I also hate playing against the same thing every game with no diversity

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