Would ArPen/MPen per level runes be any good?

darkdill·Mar 15, 2016·3 votes·505 views

When you go AP mid, your choice of reds is pretty much flat MPen, nothing else. BORING. And not all mid-lane mages necessarily want that; maybe they want a little more flat MPen later in the game (i.e. Brand, Elise, etc.)

Same could be said for some AD casters like Urgot, who scale a bit less off bonus AD, but might want more flat ArPen later on. Might not be advised all the time, but the choice would at least be there.

So why aren't those choices available? Why are there no flat-MPen/level runes or the like?

9 Comments

The DeckownerMar 15, 20161 votes

flat pen is only good early game, scaling pen is pretty much useless.

darkdillMar 15, 20161 votes

So that means mages shouldn't have any other options for their red runes?

The DeckownerMar 15, 20161 votes

i take ad runes sometimes just for easier early game cs

ShipwreckMar 15, 20161 votes

On the contrary, flat pen is good at all stages of the game, and if the target has a large amount of armour a single point of penetration is worth more than a point of AD

The DeckownerMar 15, 20161 votes

what i am trying to say is flat pen is good when targets have only little to no armor, while %pen is better for the ones who has large amount of armor.

ShipwreckMar 15, 20161 votes

ideally yes the targets have little armour, then its easier to deal true dmg, however thats rarely the case, and as i said even late game when your enemy has 400 armour, 1 point of armour penetration will do more damage than 1 point of AD

though i do get what your saying, the only way scaling pen runes would be the wrong buy, is if they butchered the numbers to earn you .5 a lvl or something

The DeckownerMar 15, 20161 votes

honestly tho ad and ap can give ability scaling, while pen doesnt scale with anything.

ShipwreckMar 15, 20161 votes

which sometimes doesn't matter, champs like ZAC and Rengar tend to benefit more from penetration than AP/AD basically you cant argue about builds in such a small scope, there's far too much to consider. I think in order to keep this clear, you just have to consider the few scenario's where both options are viable on a champ

Miku Lv99Mar 15, 20161 votes

Scaling pen should be a thing IMO for mages so that they aren't outscaled as much by adcs later in the game. They just would only be able to do like 2.1x as much pen as flat pen at level 18 in order to be balanced, but they still would do a lot more than flat pen late game, but a lot of people would avoid them for better early game.