Volibear is harder to play than lee sin

BigBonedCartman··5 votes·622 views

Yes a generic ass champion is harder to play than lee sin,volibear is kept intentionally weak with a really bad kit meanwhile the weaboo counterpart lee sin is overloaded and always kept strong as fack i love when those weaboos kids who play call of duty battlefield assasin creed believe their champ is hard when in reality i believe a player in diamond playing volibear is much much better than the one playing the overloaded weaboo lord he has everything in his kit to make weaboos feel happy when they get kills when in reality they are human failures

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Dead flag blues6 votes

The lack of punctuation is impressive

Bootleg Gay3 votes

Volibear has no skillshots, doesn't need to weave autos into abilities (He only uses basic attacks), and is kept week because his linear playstyle would be busted with higher numbers. (If you can't dodge his damage -autos and a point blank roar- then he doesn't need to have damage.) He also doesn't have real play making potential past what Blitzcrank does, but tankier.

Lee Sin statistically requires more games to understand and master, as apposed to Volibear. If the above statements don't matter to you, then maybe a fact like mastery curve will.

SEKAI3 votes

Mastery curve has nothing to do with balance.

A champion should not be straight up better and above the balance benchmark just because they're supposedly harder. That's the number 1 mistakes League makes in regards to game balance.

You will ask: "What is the point of playing harder to master champion then?" And my response will be 2-fold.

  1. If they are harder to play, then they should be actually harder to play.
  2. Champs who have harder to master kits are also more flexible and versatile. That already is their reward. It makes no sense to grant them more and put them above game balance like Riot does (and some of our players want).
Bootleg Gay1 votes

Your mistake is not understanding their philosophy on rewarding play.

If you make less effort, you don't deserve the outcomes attributed to the plays.

Don't land that Q? You don't get to go in and you make yourself vulnerable.

Don't time your it ulti right? You don't get the right angle to save your life or help a teammate.

Don't use wards to your advantage? You lose mobility.

My point is, Volibear has very little to risk with his linear playstyle, this he has very little reward stretched to his kit as well. Couldn't catch the ADC? Try again when you loop around. You have a survivability passive anyways. Could use your ult to its fullest? Don't worry, it's not your only source of damage.

Balance isn't based on these alone either. Counterplay is a huge part of it, as well as win rate, fairness, and even quality of life. Volibear is in need of a full VGU anyways, so I'm sure he'll get some new tools to make him both unique and properly rewarding to play as, even compared to more mechanically complex and versatile as Lee Sin.

SEKAI2 votes

Voli has to physically run at his opponents on foot with only the help of some okay-ish MS boost, and you're telling me that has no risk or less vulnerable than those that chunk skillshots/blindfire at a range and can go in anytime they want as soon as they landed a blind-fire shot from a distance?

Similarly,

  • A flexible kit is hard to get used to, but is by definition already its own problem and reward (because it's more flexible). It doesn't need more.
  • A harder to play champ is meant to be hard, and therefore they should BE hard.
  • The likes of Garen does not have less effort than say the likes of Lee, in fact Garen is actually harder to play than Lee, evident by the fact Garen has been in like 0 tournaments and with so incredibly few maines in high elo. A flashier kit does not automatically equate more effort, it just means they have more accesses to solutions that many other champs simply do not have; being more flexible is intrinsically both less effort and more effort depending on which topic you want to talk about, more effort in learning them but less effort in actually playing once you get the know-how (because they have more solutions).
  • You then proceed to talk about having options as a burden, a common mistakes of those trying to justify that being a more flexible champ is by nature a curse and a downside when it's in fact a blessing and a plus. Because again, having access to more options that others do not have, does not mean the champ is worse off; it makes no sense to claim so. It's not that Lee Sin has to jump across the wall with wards, it's that he has the options to; meanwhile no amount of effort will allow Garen and Voli to do wall jumps without burning Flash. Your point of debate literally makes no sense.

You're wrong, your entire "theory" on what's what is frankly completely wrong and twisted.

Bootleg Gay1 votes

These champions kits aren't designed to be hyper mobile though. They are supposed to have the inherent weakness of being seen coming, and their lack of risk comes from their base stats being higher. You don't have to risk nearly as much trying to get to your target because you can just heal it all back up in a matter of seconds, where Lee and others trade that sustain for other utilities, like the luxury of ward jumping.

The options can indeed be burdens, because someone that doesn't use them correctly can make mistakes that show the vast difference between a new player to that champion, and one that has 500 games of that same one.

I can't believe I actually have to explain that linear kits are just blatantly less skillful, while non linear kits take time to learn. What part about Lee is so hard to learn that you feel the need to defend other champions. They're supposed to have different strengths and weaknesses, and varying difficulties. Voli takes less time to learn, and this doesn't require a rewarding gameplay. It's an issue in itself, especially considering he's in a state that requires work like a full VGU.

He doesn't make huge decisions the way other mechanical champions do. You just decide who you want to go for, and either do it or don't. No mechanical outplay, no skillshot that's detrimental, no way for the enemy to play against you besides running the opposite direction.

Other champs like Lee need to decided things like positioning a whole lot more because of the way his kit revolves around his ult and Q. Voli just has to be a front liner. Lee needs to use his ult at the right time and right angle. Voli ults whenever he can because there isn't a reason not to. It's a no-brainer. It requires less skill to decide "Yes I do want electric claws, thanks for asking."

TL;DR- Flashy kit or not, mechanics are mechanics. Some champs have them, some don't, and the more they need to juggle, the harder they are.

SEKAI2 votes

Lee Sin is Chinese tho.

But yeah despite the tone, I do largely agree that many people have been mis-equating mechanical flexibility with overall performance difficulty of a champion. They are different parameters, related in some way but far from being singular.

Slythrin Umbreon2 votes

Getting it wrong only makes it more Weeb.

SEKAI1 votes

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Getting it wrong only makes it more Weeb.

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gabetheguy2 votes

weaboos kids who play call of duty battlefield assasin creed make weaboos feel happy when they get kills when in reality they are human failures

did you get shitstomped by lee sin?

also lee sin is chinese. not weeb lul.

Vapor Wave Vibes1 votes

Volibear is easy, used to main him when he was strong because he was easy to pick up. Can't do that with lee and play him at 100

Niyume1 votes

Hey, I'm a weab, and I don't play Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed OOOOOR Lee Sin -- though I used to play Lee once upon a time.

And Voli isn't hard at all. Neither is Lee though.

Hexs Fortune1 votes

I've been playing him recently for the S rank box. I went to the Voli mains subreddit for advice and found them all in despair with threads like " Lets pretend riot is looking for advice on a voli re work"

I don't know if he's officially underpowered, but i'll confidently say Volibear needs an update much more urgently than Irelia OR Swain

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